Growing Pharma-Food

[ado089]

Parsley, how would you feel if you were
to buy a new truck and you have a couple
options. One is a reputable brand with a
long history of reliability and would
comfortably meet all your needs. The
other has a few less options but your
told it has a rugged diesel engine and
heavy duty drive train and it only cost
a little more. The second one appeals to
you because you've made millions selling
your organic product to foodies with
deep pockets and now you want to work
less and travel around north America
pulling a big fifth wheel. Then you get
it home hook it up only to find it has a
gutless 4 banger in it. Would you say
that's ok because the add said it was a
big diesel and that's what you asked for
as a say consumer?

[ado089]

Or even worse, you never found out but
we're left wondering why your new truck
doesn't perform any better than your old
truck.

[oneoff]

QUOTE: And a noticeable absence of those horribly
negative growers one comes across every now
and again. Pars


You need to flesh that statement out pars. I'm starting to wonder if maybe some people have given you
a lot more credit than you deserve.

It's one thing to say "live and let live" and spout all that "choice" bull shit...and then have a totally different set of standards to actually live by.

[parsley]

Afraid I am not a believer in state marketing. The
original organic growers, the very foundation,
wanted to grow their grain, process their grain,
and grain products, and sell it to the eaters
closest to them, so it is fresh and without
additives.

That basically was the focus. The 'plan'. That is
why there were so many small processing farms
that popped up over time. State marketing did not
fit into the plan and they knew it. And they
worked against organics. . Even called the
companies we sold to and exported to. Horrible
critters who misused their authority, but I will say
I dedicated time and energy and money towards
their demise, albeit negligible in the scheme of
things, but with resolve.

No producer or company can expand their vision
if vindictive legislation prevents them from doing
so.

Customers love the products. Fresh. And the
variety! Emmer and kamut, and millet ,and ....
Etc. And they love customer service.

And small communities liked the jobs that opened
up. One summer, I alone hired 12. Small
potatoes, I agree, but within my means.

Every community in every part of the world has
the ability to feed themselves. Every one of
them! I have a self-sufficiency view of the world.
I don't believe that a family in Niger needs to sit
waiting for some Saskatchewan farmer to save
his family from starvation in perpetuity.

I regret to disappoint you adobe, but I don't ever
ever ever want a 5th wheel. Never spent a night
in one yet. Have too many exciting projects.
Some of them include grain. Flying best suits my
time frame.

Oneoff will continue to do what oneoff does best.
Pars

[parsley]

Correction: should be vindictive regulation

NOT legislation

[oneoff]

And just what part of the rest of the world does Nigeria feed.

Organic "anything" is a misnomer. It grows in the same air; uses photosynthesis to make complex sugars and through biochemical pathways creates similar compounds as any other living pant or animal. It sucks in every pollutant, as anything else does, the only difference being concentration. And we are to believe that even a trace of a trace is fatal. C'on.
The logic is missing. I fact it was never present.
And thanks for the marginalizing comment pars. Nothing like calling the kettle/pot black. The unsubstantiated bull shit from certain corners (as posted on this forum) is far more negative than anything I'll ever come up with.

[parsley]

You continue to ask who will feed the world. I
feel no obligation to feed the world.
Period. Niger is perfect capable of feeding itself.
So is Venezuela. So Is Pakistan. So is Vietnam.
Who will supply the food banks? There are miles
of ditches where people can sow gardens. And
flowers. They dont need their hands filled for
them.

The problem we have is people are spoiled and
demanding.

You don't have to buy organics. Nor worry about
the 4 % who buy organics. Nor worry about a
few thousand farmers who grow organically.

Do what you do best. And be happy with it. I am.
Pars

[oneoff]

If we ust be blunt about it

Paranoia about ill effects of foods produced and processed by ethods that don't eet your approval; and spreading what amounts to propaganda to the masses of people who do not weigh all sides of a debate may serve certain setors very well.

But it remains only suspicion, blind faith and personal opinion until there can be proof provided that something is known about what is being talked about.

As for callous concern about world food trade; you do have a point of view not often stated so bluntly. When and if organic production becomes a significant source of even developed counries needs.....I'll try to remeber to ask if you still have the same opinion about supplying additional demand fro nations you now say should look after themselves.

[parsley]

Canada has 90 days to grow a crop. Callous?
No, realistic. Many countries can grow two crops
in a year. No winter. Sunshine. They CAN grow
crops. So, do it. That is realism.

The "masses" of people who buy organics are
neither illiterate or stupid. They are among the
best educated and financially sound. Most are
university educated; in don't tell them, oneoff,
they tell me. As it should be Pars.

[oneoff]

There is a great differnce between being "illiterate and stupid" versus coming to firmly held beliefs without the benefit of using reason and an understanding of the facts.
In other words; your choice of the words "illiterate and stupid" are not necessarily the key factors in coming toreasonable and factual conclusions.

Do you always listen to a person; or just when they are putting money in the palm of ypour hand?

I'm usually willing to present a bit of the other side just so there is a bit of doubt presented keep a lttle balance in an argument.