Isis flags flown in Germany?

[jensend]

Maybe after living under some of these regimes any alternative, including ISIS, doesn't look so bad Throw in ancient middle eastern tribal superstitions and western commercial interests and it's bound to explode.

[agstar77]

I won't be hauling any grain to the Saudis.

[foragefarmer]

Parsley

"This global mayhem isn't caused by Bush"

Who took out Saddam Hussein? Where do the majority of ISIS fighters come from?

Your beloved Harper (Reformer) was all to willing when in opposition to join the Iraq invasion.

I guess that's why you think George W. Bush is not responsible.

[riders2010]

My neighbours family from Germany is scared shitless this is not from some 2012 picture. You mean this happenned in 2012 also?
People there weren t all welcoming the immigrants. Mostly it's former immigrants welcoming more of the same. Governments are going to have civil unrest over what they are doing.

[parsley]

Saudi Arabia is the world's centre of learning for Islam; scholars flock to the university there; Islam is dissected there, and interpretations of the Quran take place there, and worldwide propaganda originates there and is funded by the Saudis. Pushing the world towards Islam is propelled from here. Their biggest stick is their money. It filters into every country in the word, convincing, irresistible. Mighty. Media are addicted to their money.

And yes, cotton, Saudi Arabia is Islam's Centre of Influence. Many elites and intellectuals acquiesce to Saudi wealth.

Saudi Arabia is where Islam wields it's' wealth.
Mecca is where Islam shares it's soul. Pars.

[parsley]

"This global mayhem isn't caused by Bush"

from everything I have studied and researched Islamic global mayhem is caused by Islamic religious ideology. And has for centuries.

Islamic doctrine prompts jihad. Terrorism. Bin Laudin was a very rich man who fanatically pursued his religion and terror; Ghadafi ruthlessly maintained commerce and order.

But ideology bubbles constantly; here and then there, and then over there, and then down there; it's never ending. it can only be stalled, subverted, appeased, lulled, put to sleep etc

My observation is the ones who suffer most under Islam will be out best and most effective allies.

Islamic women.

Just my 2cents worth. These are terrible times. And it's going to get worse. pars.

[parsley]

Forage, I didn't answer your other question about soldiers. Saudi Arabia funds fighters all over the world. They have the money to do it.

Oil money.

if North America shipped oil overseas, the Saudi's daily windfall would dry up. A coalition can strive for that new oil source.

I note Elizabeth May is not a good vote to supply EU with oil.

pars.

[parsley]

I have one question for you to think about.


If Islam teaches and preaches jihad, terrorism, gender inequality, stoning, beheading, honour killings and crucifixion, as some of their basic acceptable moral tenets, whilst all if them are morally reprehensible to Western culture, should Islam be recognized as having moral equivalency with other morally accepted major religions?

Your answer has substantial legal and social and moral implications. Imho, Pars.

[riders2010]

This situation reminds me even though we are democratic and free what say do individuals really have? All three parties want to bring in certain people I don't know what percent don't want it but I know it's a lot yet why aren't we being heard? Or what do we really do? Our mps have never done anything for us.

[parsley]

I'm also frustrated, rider. I do know this:

Five hundred voices recommending the same thing have more weight than one whining farm woman

Numbers is an important tactic, isn't it.

pars