SM5 Quota may well be worth more under TPP!

[wmoebis]

What does a producer get for his milk. Know what it is at retail but what is his share?

[dalek]

Roughly 72 cents for average component tests, say 3.9-4% bf.

[foragefarmer]

Tom4cwb

"There is much better ways to regulate production and price. TPP provides a reasonable way out of this conundrum! "

And just how do you know this, it will take years before every country signs the final draft of the agreement.

Tom, how can you type baseless information such as this, were you at the negotiation table?????

[grassfarmer]

He doesn't need facts just parrots the hollow rhetoric of Ritz and Harper. If you were really a supporter of free enterprise Tom why should it concern you if dairy farmers want to borrow money to buy milk quota?

What is wrong with the banks making money on lending to people that want to borrow? isn't that free enterprise too?

You are free enterprise but you are still looking for ways to regulate production and prices in the dairy and other SM sectors?

If you believed your own bullshit you'd advocate destroying the SM system overnight, no compensation and let the market sort it out. Frightened to say that though because it isn't included in the speaking points the PCs send you.
Because they are frightened of the votes it will cost them. Try to pretend it's a minor change then only later the truth will come out.

[cottonpicken]

What exactly did we lose guys?looks pretty good so far to me.

[pgluca]

For the life of me I could never understand why certain sectors of the agricultural industry should be awarded special protection while the rest of us were left far more exposed to international completion. Are dairy and poultry farmers just better people??? I fully realize that all sectors of agriculture have some subsidies,(tax breaks, partially funded insurance plans etc. But no where near the special status granted to the supply managed sector. All subsidies eventually get capitalized one way or another so in the end they don't help nearly as much as intended, plus as pointed our the consumer at all income levels pays for it. Talk about bull shit.......

[foragefarmer]

Nothing signed by any countries and it will take years to finalize. No major details released. Many changes can still happen. How can it look good so far????

[grassfarmer]

Cotton, it's clear we have taken the first steps down the path to destroy another marketing agency, that was thought up by farmers, to help farmers, and ensure they got a fair price from the marketplace. Another example of collective marketing power being stripped from farmers and handed to multinational processors. That's what we have lost.

[perfecho]

We won't know what we have lost until its too late...but maybe it will turn out??
Heard that on the Korean deal, our exports went down 8% and imports rose 7%...but have not checked out.
When I was involved with Economic Development in our area, it almost seemed if something was happening it was a win....didn't necessarily have to produce anything just make it happen.
With the "multiple" trade negotiations that Ritz has been spouting about, not much seems to change...yes, we have done better with beef, however I do believe the US dollar has more to do with that than trade negotiations...

[TOM4CWB]

NZ Dairy is not very happy about this deal...THis was in Macleans:

"Canada holds off New Zealand TPP offensive for greater dairy access
Despite New Zealand’s belief that the Trans-Pacific Partnership could be adjusted in years to come, Canada slams door on more concessions over dairy

Mike Blanchfield, The Canadian Press
October 5, 2015

"OTTAWA – Canadian officials have slammed the door on a suggestion by New Zealand that it might push for greater access for its dairy products as the Trans-Pacific Partnership moves forward.

But disappointed New Zealanders, who ran headlong into Canada’s sacrosanct adherence to supply management during the talks, maintained that the day will come when Canada’s dairy farmers will no longer enjoy having their “hands held” by protective policies.

New Zealand Trade Minister Tim Groser said Monday he considers the 12-country Pacific Rim trade deal to be open to future “adjustments” after his country failed in an 11th-hour bid for more tariff-free access for its dairy products.

Groser said his country had achieved its main goal of tariff elimination on all exports, except beef to Japan and certain of its dairy products.

That was a reference to New Zealand’s unsuccessful attempt to gain more access to Canada’s protected dairy industry."
http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/canada-holds-off-new-zealand-tpp-offensive-for-greater-dairy-access/

It does not take a rocket scientist to see Canada is the big winner in TPP... SM5 is protected... NZ Dairy is obviously disappointed.

[grassfarmer]

Tge view from NZ indicates that this is only the first step in the road to total elimination.

John Wilson, Chairman of New Zealand’s dairy exporter, Fonterra said: "While I am very disappointed that the deal falls far short of TPP's original ambition to eliminate all tariffs, there will be some useful gains for New Zealand dairy exporters in key TPP markets such as the US, Canada and Japan. Greater benefits will be seen in future years as tariffs on some product lines are eliminated."

New Zealand Trade Minister Tim Groser said: "On dairy, some (products) will achieve tariff elimination, on others it has been too difficult. We started from a high level of ambition. We haven't been able to achieve that today, but it's established a direction of travel. This will open space for future generations of trade ministers.”

[ag-boy]

AGAIN I SAY AFTER ALL THE READING ON AGRIVILLE QUOTA SYSTYM HAS TO GO !
B,F,W YOU CAN NOT YET MILK COWS AND SELL IN PUBLIC WITOUT QUOTA PERIOD .
IT TAKES A MILLION DOLLAR TO BUY THAT AOUTA PAPER FOR ABOUT 8 COW.S
BECAUSE YOU ARE ON COST PLUS PROFIT.
HAPPEND TO BE IN MONTANA MILK 2% 3.80 /GALLON
AB 6,5 TO 7 DOLLAR SAME PRODUCT
MOST OF DAYRIE FARMERS HAVE BEEF OPERATION BESIDE IT , BECAUSE NO QUOTA NEEDED ! AND FREE TO COMPETE WITH US
MY SON LIKED TO START IN THIS RICH FARMING RETURN NO CHANGE TO COSTLY FOR THAT DUMM PEACE OF PAPER TO START 50 COWS , LOOKING AT 8 TO 9 MILLION START UP .
READING AT WESTERN PRODUCER EUROPE IS DON WITH QOUTA OR SUPPLY MAGM
SAME AS U-S-A FARMERS
GRASFARMER HOPE YOU TAKE NOTE OF THIS T-P-P WORLD RULING FOR THE BETTER ! FREE ENTERPRICE .

[perfecho]

Some of those places don't have quota, but they have contracts with dairies...which still limits who gets in.
Free enterprise, works great for some...here in Alberta we gave up a nice little power company owned by the province so we could get competitive power from free enterprise....we now pay one of the highest rates going.

[grassfarmer]

Hope you are all pleased with yourselves encouraging the demise of SM. In dairy we had the best system in the world, the envy of dairy farmers everywhere.
The dairy farmers in New Zealand are in dire straights at the moment, as are those in Europe. The Americans have been in the past, needing Government programs to slaughter the herd to reduce surplus. Always a boom and bust cycle where farmers need bailed out by the Government on the down cycles. We had the best system to manage supply of this perishable product and even out the price swings and give the consumer a great product at a fair price. We just started to dismantle the system. Dumb strikes again.

[foragefarmer]

Another envious grain farmer speaking out against supply management. I guess he figured if he used capital letters it justified the post.