SM5 Quota may well be worth more under TPP!

[wmoebis]

What does a producer get for his milk. Know what it is at retail but what is his share?

[dalek]

Roughly 72 cents for average component tests, say 3.9-4% bf.

[foragefarmer]

Tom4cwb

"There is much better ways to regulate production and price. TPP provides a reasonable way out of this conundrum! "

And just how do you know this, it will take years before every country signs the final draft of the agreement.

Tom, how can you type baseless information such as this, were you at the negotiation table?????

[grassfarmer]

He doesn't need facts just parrots the hollow rhetoric of Ritz and Harper. If you were really a supporter of free enterprise Tom why should it concern you if dairy farmers want to borrow money to buy milk quota?

What is wrong with the banks making money on lending to people that want to borrow? isn't that free enterprise too?

You are free enterprise but you are still looking for ways to regulate production and prices in the dairy and other SM sectors?

If you believed your own bullshit you'd advocate destroying the SM system overnight, no compensation and let the market sort it out. Frightened to say that though because it isn't included in the speaking points the PCs send you.
Because they are frightened of the votes it will cost them. Try to pretend it's a minor change then only later the truth will come out.

[cottonpicken]

What exactly did we lose guys?looks pretty good so far to me.

[pgluca]

For the life of me I could never understand why certain sectors of the agricultural industry should be awarded special protection while the rest of us were left far more exposed to international completion. Are dairy and poultry farmers just better people??? I fully realize that all sectors of agriculture have some subsidies,(tax breaks, partially funded insurance plans etc. But no where near the special status granted to the supply managed sector. All subsidies eventually get capitalized one way or another so in the end they don't help nearly as much as intended, plus as pointed our the consumer at all income levels pays for it. Talk about bull shit.......

[foragefarmer]

Nothing signed by any countries and it will take years to finalize. No major details released. Many changes can still happen. How can it look good so far????

[grassfarmer]

Cotton, it's clear we have taken the first steps down the path to destroy another marketing agency, that was thought up by farmers, to help farmers, and ensure they got a fair price from the marketplace. Another example of collective marketing power being stripped from farmers and handed to multinational processors. That's what we have lost.

[perfecho]

We won't know what we have lost until its too late...but maybe it will turn out??
Heard that on the Korean deal, our exports went down 8% and imports rose 7%...but have not checked out.
When I was involved with Economic Development in our area, it almost seemed if something was happening it was a win....didn't necessarily have to produce anything just make it happen.
With the "multiple" trade negotiations that Ritz has been spouting about, not much seems to change...yes, we have done better with beef, however I do believe the US dollar has more to do with that than trade negotiations...

[TOM4CWB]

NZ Dairy is not very happy about this deal...THis was in Macleans:

"Canada holds off New Zealand TPP offensive for greater dairy access
Despite New Zealand’s belief that the Trans-Pacific Partnership could be adjusted in years to come, Canada slams door on more concessions over dairy

Mike Blanchfield, The Canadian Press
October 5, 2015

"OTTAWA – Canadian officials have slammed the door on a suggestion by New Zealand that it might push for greater access for its dairy products as the Trans-Pacific Partnership moves forward.

But disappointed New Zealanders, who ran headlong into Canada’s sacrosanct adherence to supply management during the talks, maintained that the day will come when Canada’s dairy farmers will no longer enjoy having their “hands held” by protective policies.

New Zealand Trade Minister Tim Groser said Monday he considers the 12-country Pacific Rim trade deal to be open to future “adjustments” after his country failed in an 11th-hour bid for more tariff-free access for its dairy products.

Groser said his country had achieved its main goal of tariff elimination on all exports, except beef to Japan and certain of its dairy products.

That was a reference to New Zealand’s unsuccessful attempt to gain more access to Canada’s protected dairy industry."
http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/canada-holds-off-new-zealand-tpp-offensive-for-greater-dairy-access/

It does not take a rocket scientist to see Canada is the big winner in TPP... SM5 is protected... NZ Dairy is obviously disappointed.