SM5 Quota may well be worth more under TPP!

[Braveheart]

We have entered the draw for chicken quota here for the past few years. Haven't won yet. We may have to rethink the future, although probably not. In fact the future might be brighter.

[wmoebis]

Agree BFW will I be able to go to a local dairy and buy milk to feed my family or to give to my cats for that matter?

[Braveheart]

BFW, I'm not sure you'd want a dairy without the protection of subsidy equivalent supply managed.

The one thing I miss about not milking cows is the fat cats. Now I have to go to the Manitoba Legislature to see them (gov't side).

[BFW]

you may be correct Braveheart of whether one should do it or not but will we be able to without purchasing quota?

[BFW]

If I can start a dairy without quota then a am quite a bit more competitive than most dairy operations in Canada assuming I have access to processing capacity. The drop in the value of quota and the hit to the balance sheet of most dairy operations will be the problem whether or not the government keeps them whole on a cost of production basis. Just wondering...

[sumdumguy]

Braveheart, we were on a waiting list for chicken/Turkey quota for 30 or more years. We then received a letter saying that waiting list is now defunct.

[cottonpicken]

Maybe i wrong on this but was the point of the quota system to keep those industries propped up in the east. Wouldn't we decimate those guys competively.

[foragefarmer]

If you guys think the prices will drop for the consumers your dreaming. The processors will ensure of that. As far as being concerned about the prices for the consumer, your all full of it. Go reread some of your OWN posts on different topics, most of you could give a rats ass about anybody else.

As for prices that you guys are complaining about, raise your own if it costs to much, your still farmers aren't you, or does it cut into your social lives?

It all boils to two things your envious of supply management and you support Con/Reformer Harper, nothing more.

I don't belong to any political party nor farm organization so keep that B.S. to yourselves. I'm just a farmer not afraid of other farmers making a good living.

[Braveheart]

Sumdumguy, that's for SK, right? MB still has a draw. We had financing arranged in case of success. We just don't want to buy a lot to start. We wanted broilers. When we started trying, our farm wasn't big enough to support 2 families.

[tweety]

Its 3 frickin % access. they make it sound like they are going under. Sheesh.

[farmaholic]

Probably just the thin edge of the wedge though!!!

[tipsy]

vwalk you brought up a point that I always thought was politically provoking... How can the working person in Canada pay 2-3-4 times for milk, chicken, products produced in Canada as compared to the U.S.
Yet the supply industry has to be protected for who's benefit? Certainly not for the working Canadian or consumer!!

[dmlfarmer]

If we only have to allow 3.5% access to dairy and about 2% market access to eggs and poultry is the TPP really a free trade agreement? Is TPP really opening up markets for our grains and beef or are importing countries only allowing us to access a small percentage of their markets like we have with dairy? On the surface this appears to be a long way from the free trade agreement that it is being sold as!

[grassfarmer]

From the Canadian Parliamentary review 2008.

"For consumers, the benefits of supply management include access to a safe, tested and reliable supply of high quality products at affordable prices. Despite the criticisms that supply managed commodities have built-in higher costs, retail prices for dairy products, are highly competitive and have in fact on average been lower than in the United States for the past decade."

…………"When compared to the returns received by producers of other commodities, it is not hard to understand why they look at supply management with some degree of envy. By way of illustration, over the past 20 years, the average retail price of beef has increased by $5.67 per kilogram. During that same period of time, farm prices for beef increased by just 14 cents. In the case of pork, average retail prices have increased by $3.51 per kilogram while the average price received by producers actually declined by 15 cents.

With dairy products, on the other hand, producers have been relatively better off keeping up their share of the consumer price. Over the same 20 year time period retail milk prices have increased by 110 percent and dairy producers have seen a 44 percent increase in their returns"

Case closed.

[TOM4CWB]

Grassy,

"When compared to the returns received by producers of other commodities, it is not hard to understand why they look at supply management with some degree of envy."

No envy here!!!

Billions tied up in Quota that costs everyone Millions... and returns nothing productive but payments to banks of Millions in profits!

There is much better ways to regulate production and price. TPP provides a reasonable way out of this conundrum!

Case Closed