TPP and Supply Managed Agriculture... Agriweek

[farmaholic]

Here we go again...

How many years did the Government actually have to dip into taxpayer coffers to offset the "overly aggressive" setting of the usually dismal initial price? Sarcasm fully intended.

I guess the whole thing must have been run like Crop Insurance. Call it what it was then, a subsidy, if you think it wasn't self sustaining... Sarcasm fully intented.

And no, I'm not yearning for it to be reinstated back in it's old form... No sarcasm...

[dmlfarmer]

Braveheart:
And you don't think quota is a government backed scheme? Equity does not have to be a physical asset. It could be permission to produce a product which is all that quota is. Just because farmers bid up the value, why should taxpayers compensate them for that inflated value anymore than what quota was originally worth?

For all its faults, the CWB did provide value to western farmers through coordination of transportation and for some protection for farmers from gouging by rail and grain companies. It also found and built overseas markets for Canadian grain. Disagree? Review all the posts since 2012 and see how many are complaints about inflated basis, transportation issues, demurrage, lack of transparency, loss of international markets etc.

This is real value which western Canadian farmers lost when it was given away.

I just find it amazing that the government can bail out the auto sector, banks, and supply management but western farmers are so polarized over the CWB they cannot even see the value and goodwill it provided in spite of its faults. And some like you Braveheart even will even argue publically that it had no value at all.

I trust you will not complain when the dairy or poultry producer down the road someday out bids you or your son for land would like to buy because he is being supported by the taxpayer to the tune of thousands of dollars a year for a "perceived" (but likely unproven) loss of value of his quota and market share (non physical assets).

No, you just hold you head up proudly and tell your son that dairy or poultry farmers earned the right to outbid him for the land because they fought for the value of their marketing system but you fought against any compensation when the government got rid of grain farmers marketing agency.

[Braveheart]

Not only did the CWB not provide value, it took value away. Grain cos charge the max tariffs under the single desk. Want to see high basis levels? Thats right. They under the single desk, everyday.

Quota is a capital item. The gov't only creates the framework for the subsidy equivalent price received. The TPP "might" have changed the monetary value of quota so compensation deemed necessary. But really, over 10 years it amounts to diddly squat.

[foragefarmer]

Braveheart

"Grain cos charge the max tariffs under the single desk. Want to see high basis levels?"

Please provide some numbers to justify your statement. You saying those basis levels of winter of 2014 weren't high!!

[Braveheart]

Forage, 2014 basis levels that were high just told me to store the grain or look elsewhere. I looked south, because without the single desk I could.

[dmlfarmer]

Braveheart: Grain companies charged the maximum tariffs because that was the only way they could make money on CWB grain handle. Now we have no way of knowing for sure how much they are making as there is no transparency on what they are selling grain for or what their true costs are. We do not have a functioning Canadian futures market and there is really no true local cash price so we honestly cannot compute a true basis. Basis has become simply a signal to deliver, nothing more and cannot be compared to tariffs which had maximum levels set to protect farmers.

[TOM4CWB]

Sawfly,
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[foragefarmer]

Braveheart

Come on, you really think the grain companies are not charging the maximum tariffs which they set, in their current basis. Your argument that when there was a CWB, the grain companies ONLY then charged their maximum tarfitts is completely baseless!!!

[farmaholic]

My recollection of charges(all in transparent)pre-open market for my area was about $1.65 a bushel for wheat. We are still responsible for everything but maybe sometimes more or sometimes less depending on "their" needs. That was enough to start with.