Thumbs up for an ole cowboy ..

[dmlfarmer]

Burnt: Who determines if they are "radical" therefore should or should not be in cabinet? You burnt? You insinuate that association by facebook is enough to make you a "radical" Do you have any facebook friends who have a criminal record thereby making you a criminal?

Does everyone who voted for the Muslim you consider radical to put them in parliament in the first place automatically become radicals too? I wonder how many people (and politicans) are criminals because they associated with the Fords.

Love you throwing in the abuse of children at the hands of Muslims too. In so many ways it is similar to what was done to First Nations children in residential schools here in Canada by Canadians. And how open has the Catholic church been about priests abusing children (and continuing to do so) yet still ignored (and worse - covered up) by the church and many parishioners.

Adding the word radical does not make you attack on Muslims any more valid!

[perfecho]

On second thought Burnt, you have some points....Likely the natives were discussing the same issues when whites came to their country. And, we see where that has gotten them...
I do like your line about the camel....

[burnt]

dlm - what do you think would happen if a non-Muslim were to openly and repeatedly sexually assault a boy here in North America?

Does not the fact that you rightly call out such abuse by any religious figure answer your own question?

What you don't seem to get is that "tolerance" eventually leads to acceptance of all their culture. No halfway with Islam. But you're okay with that?

perfecho - there are hard things that happened in the Old Testament when God ordered Israel to carry out the destruction (genocide?) of entire cultures.

Historical records show that they brought it on their own heads with their barbaric behaviors which encompassed a total disregard for the value of human life, including misdirected sexuality, child sacrifice and molestation. (Any similarities to western values today?)

However, the story is continued in the New Testament where by divine intervention, we are given the fuller solution on how to conduct a life that will bring peace and wholeness to all who subscribe to and follow the teachings of Christ.

I don't know of anyone who has been able to demonstrate where obedience to that model has ever had any negative consequences.

As for those who abused children (or anyone) while wearing religious garb, please show me where Christ made room for such.

A long post, but hopefully it points out why I emphasized the part about "consistency" and understanding the entire message of a religion.

Following the entire message and teaching of Islam will produce ISIS.

Following the entire message of Christ will result in benevolence and well-being.

[dmlfarmer]

Burnt: To answer your question, the same thing would happen to a non-Muslim as a Muslim if they were "to openly and repeatedly sexually assault a boy here in North America." And if you have any proof that a Muslim is "openly and repeatedly sexually assaulting a boy here in North America" and is not being held accountable by law I challenge you to share that here and now.

We have a system in NA which separates the judicial and legislative functions and a legal system which is supposedly blind to race, color, and religion.

That does not make us free from crime. And to insinuate that simply being Muslim makes you a sexual predator and criminal is absurd. That is equivalent to saying all hockey coaches must be sexual predators because of the actions of Graham James.

You are perverting the Islamic religion just as ISIS is and just as any Christian could if they were to take the Old Testament literally.

[burnt]

Well dlm, it appears that you have read little of, or gave little thought to what I was pointing out in my post as you refuted absolutely nothing that I said.

Had you read the linked news article, you would have discovered that it was not ISIS committing the **** of boys they dressed up in skirts, but the Afghan "allies"! And the US told their soldiers to turn a blind eye to the abuses.

But it seems the soldiers had a little trouble getting over hearing those little boys screaming in pain at night.

As the law stands at present, a Muslim perp would receive the same treatment as a non-Muslim.

The point is, however, that the immigrant Muslim drive toward acceptance of Islam and sharia law is not-so-slowly changing how law is going to be observed and enforced. (Google sharia patrols UK) And in light of the COURT ruling on niqab issue, you cannot deny that.

But the important thing is giving everyone a warm, fuzzy feeling of acceptance, right? Yup, just fall in behind your dear leader - as if he will give you or anyone else any choice.

And if you believe that the courts are blind to race, color, and religion, well my friend I have news for you. Legality trumps religion, unless it's the Muslim religion, as has been demonstrated above.

I merely supplied a link to a news article from a verifiable source as evidence of what I am saying and you claim that I am perverting Islam? These are not "typical" radicals that were represented in the news item.

It appears that you have an unexplained hate or a very limited understanding of the teaching of Christ based on your reply.

[grassfarmer]

Sounds like some on here wear another kind of head covering - the white sheets. Trying to work out if Parsley or Burnt is the Grand Wizard.

[seabass]

U ask any soldier on the front lines in afghanistan or any other mainly muslim country the things he has seen those animals do to women and children right in front of them. Trying to provoke them to shoot at them. Raping and beating just to name a few of the mild things they do. Many more sick and disgusting things I wont mention. Drives the soldiers crazy when they arent able to do anything about it. U think that shit cant happen here eventually u are wrong. The more that are let into Canada the braver they get and more aggressive they become. Using our rules and laws against us. Crying for human rights. Never ends with these kinds of people.

[blackpowder]

So often by the end of these discussions, common sense is left out in the cold. How?
Right away your either a defender of rapists or a nazi?
I think the ole cowboy had the most sensible response. Cmon u guys u can do better.

[dmlfarmer]

Burnt: I did read the NYT article and found it disgusting. But I also read in 4 places in the article that the villagers where the children were abused by our afghan allies were upset. If sexual assault of children is as common in the Muslim culture as you say why would the elders be upset?

In that article you posted, consider very carefully the statement by Dan Quinn: “But we (allied forces) were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

You can blame Muslims all you want but when our actions are hurting everyday Muslims more than the Taliban we are trying to save them from there is a real problem and it is not because of the Muslim religion.

You say that I have "unexplained hate or a very limited understanding of the teaching of Christ" Christ told us to heal the sick, feed the hungry, and care for the weakest amongst us. Yet you vilify all Muslims and likely oppose the Muslims fleeing from the war from immigrating into Canada. I wonder who Christ will see as more Christian on judgement day - me or you.