Joy in Mudville: ECB Stimulus

[mustardman]

Tom it seems the only way you'll be convinced of global warming is if it was in the bible.


Breaking news September 2015 U.S. warmest on record

[Oliver88]

Al Gore is excited to work with the substitute drama teacher he says and is looking forward to him at the Paris Climate convention.

[bucket]

Tom

Don't feel too bad. The conservatives did ask one of mulroney's sons to run for the leadership.

Not Ben the ctv kid. Mark the businessman.

That's ingenuity on the management of the conservative party.

Better question is where are people we need to lead this country. ?

I don't want career politicians or hacks running this country. We need leaders with a vision and a plan to accomplish a voted on plan. Lay it out to the electorate.

Look at saskatchewan - Wall is spending 2 billion for a ring road back into the city. And paying off his political backers in the process. Nice hey?

[TOM4CWB]

Mustard,

When did you last read Revelations...
NEWS FLASH... burning in irreverent heat... is how this planet ends!

No surprise here. Cheers!

[cottonpicken]

Tom someday I'm going to hold you down and make you eat one of those cookies. Half an hour later it will be "whoops did I ever get that wrong. Can I have another"lol

[bucket]

Cotton

Should have sent him a soup or tea mix while he was on his hunger strike.

That's just funny.

Tea weed.

[errolanderson]

Tom, I have always respected Dr. Tim Ball's opinion on climate change.

[mustardman]

errol,errol,errol
Tim Ball is a great speaker
Unfortunatly he has been great for the denier industry.
He has an unlimited supply of misinformation

[errolanderson]

Realize this is off thread topic, but to just stir-the-pot . . . .

http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/dr-tim-ball-and-elizabeth-may-mp-engage-in-climate-debate.html

[macdon02]

Freeman Dyson is a 91-year-old theoretical physicist who was a contemporary of Einstein at Princeton, has received multiple international awards for his scientific efforts, and has published numerous books and papers on a wide range of topics.

Dyson is criticizing scientists who advance what he describes as an ‘agenda-driven’ perspective on global warming.

In an interview with The Register, Dyson responded to questions about the forward he just wrote for a scientific paper that confronts the “overrated” concerns about CO2 in the atmosphere:






“That is to me the central mystery of climate science. It is not a scientific mystery but a human mystery. How does it happen that a whole generation of scientific experts is blind to obvious facts?”

Dyson, who describes himself as 100% Democrat, strongly disagreed with President Obama:


“It’s very sad that in this country, political opinion parted [people’s views on climate change]. I’m 100 per cent Democrat myself, and I like Obama. But he took the wrong side on this issue, and the Republicans took the right side.”

Part of the issue, according to the interview and the CO2 paper, is that the scientific models that have been used to predict climate outcomes have been wrong:


“What has happened in the past 10 years is that the discrepancies between what’s observed and what’s predicted have become much stronger. It’s clear now the models are wrong, but it wasn’t so clear 10 years ago. I can’t say if they’ll always be wrong, but the observations are improving and so the models are becoming more verifiable.”

For example, NASA has admitted that it is unable to explain a 17-year hiatus in an average global temperature increase, which has led to 95% of manmade global warming projections being false.

Explaining why this refusal of scientists to adjust their opinions when confronted with facts that seemingly refute their manmade global warming hypothesis, Dyson gives a couple of reasons.

He suggests that there has been a confusion between “pollution,” something definitely man-made and solvable, and “climate change,” a feature of nature and mostly beyond the control of humanity.

Furthermore, he also asserts that there’s not only a “large community of people who make their money by scaring the public,” but an element of groupthink at play, as well:






“Real advances in science require a different cultural tradition, with individuals who invent new tools to explore nature and are not afraid to question authority. Science driven by rebels and heretics searching for truth has made great progress in the last three centuries. But the new culture of scientific scepticism is a recent growth and has not yet penetrated deeply into our thinking. The old culture of group loyalty and dogmatic belief is still alive under the surface, guiding the thoughts of scientists as well as the opinions of ordinary citizens.”

Dyson concluded with an assertion and an appeal to dispassionately evaluating facts:






“Climatic effects observed in the real world are much less damaging than the effects predicted by the climate models, and have also been frequently beneficial. I am hoping that the scientists and politicians who have been blindly demonizing carbon dioxide for 37 years will one day open their eyes and look at the evidence.”

If anything, Dyson’s disputation of manmade global warming just adds to the list of scientific voices who are bucking the received “consensus” on temperatures.


http://www.ijreview.com/2015/10/448344-top-physicist-bolts-global-warming-consensus-see-says-obama/?utm_source=email Global warming is just another reason to tax the shit out of us to grow government. These donkeys promoting it are are getting funded to agree. Learn what a cycle is and dont be so vain to believe that man can "kill" the earth. Even Chernobyl is healing, we arent that powerful Mustard. We can make a mess, but it isnt forever. Its all about the tax.

[TOM4CWB]

MacDon02

Thanks for finding and posting this!

I believe the 'politics' between what is NOW called:

"Climate Change"... instead of what used to be called "Global Warming"... catches part of the disposition of real disputes on the warming of Earth.

As John Robson has said so many times... the natural cycles of the universe as we understand it... are that the star we call our 'Sun"... is expanding... and one day in the distant future... burn up the earth our home.

That we should use the natural energy cycles to conserve carbon based fuels... is in itself a nobel project for humanity to encourage. However the notion that burning more limited and soon to be scarce high Hydrogen based fuel 'Natural Gas'... forcing the replacement of Coal... in electrical power generation facilities in North America... is short sighted and less than intelligent...

Which is the basic premise of the scientific logic presented above.

Previous Canadian Liberal administrations did join the Koyto protocol... but did not embark on actual implementation of C02 reduction.

It will be interesting to see... if the new Liberal administration does the same policy of practical implementation of real C02 dereductions... speak to the issue... then not implement C02 reduction policy.

PM Justin has a great and skilled job to do on this front... Follow PM Chretien, PM Martin...to say one thing and do another... which in fact is one of his strongest character references.

Here is to a new Canadian PM... that PM Justin has a very tough job to do... say one thing... and trick the 'Climate Change' based environmental wizards... into energy strategies that 'Conserve' liquid and gas based fuels... instead of burning more for the wrong reasons... C02 reduction.

Cheers! Really good job MacDon02!!!