So if you can’t beat them, beat yourself.

[grassfarmer]

Oh that Patrick Moore - he who claimed glyphosate was safe to drink yet when offered some declined stating "I'm not an idiot"

Claims to have been a Greenpeace founder but wasn't.
check out his credentials at: http://www.desmogblog.com/patrick-moore

To summarize - "Moore has served as a corporate public relations consultant far longer than he ever worked for Greenpeace, and he has never worked as a scientist.”

[seabass]

Al Gore ain't no scientist and look at the bullshit he spews. ****in scare tactic professor.

[stonepicker]

Yes grassfarmer, does it surprise you that some want to discredit moore now? He makes the greenies look bad. The only articles that are credible are the ones you agree with eh? Moore has been on both sides of the fence, and he makes sense. You say sun news has no credibility, i say desmo blog has no credibility.

[FarmRanger]

Its funny how extreme left organizations like Greenpeace are all about discrediting people rather than their arguments. Probably because ideology is more important that reality and they feel they don't have to have good arguments for why we should all follow their policy if they can merely discredit anyone who disagrees with them.

Glyphosate has an LD50 similar to salt. I wouldn't drink a glass of saltwater or glyphosate and yet the whackos expect Patrick Moore to do so like it's a junior high school dare. Juvenile
[URL=http://tinyurl.com/o9bzz63]Patrick Moore[/URL]

[grassfarmer]

He was the one that stated it was safe to drink - then refused to do so. Discredited himself right there with no help from anyone else.

[FarmRanger]

Its safe to drink urine, but I wouldn't do that either.

[greybeard]

Glyphosate is one of the only loads of liquid you can haul without a placard on the trailer.

[pgluca]

Regarding Glyphosate notice how it isn't toxic however there is a whole lot of surfactant in there that they won't tell you much about and won't give you the LD50 on. Anything I have read about surfactants, even in paint they are one of the most problematic components. As an aside I have always wondered how years of dumping surfactants in our fields affects nutrient uptake, especially micronutrients and heavy metals. It could be beneficial or very harmful???

[blackpowder]

Seems theres more heretics than true believers on this site anyway. Sliver of hope?

[Jay-mo]

Good article Pgluca, a lot of that article makes sense to me.
High concentrations of co2 are only beneficial for plant life. The earth is designed to be amazingly resilient.
I have no dispute that man made pollution on a localized scale is a very real problem in many areas. However, a lot of these types of pollution can realistically be reduced or eliminated.
Yet we still have modern cities in our own country pumping raw, untreated sewage directly into rivers, lakes and oceans.

[Oliver88]

Thanks for posting the Patrick Moore speech pgluca.
It really makes you think about what the desire is for a carbon/climate tax and what their end goal is.

It appears the Alberta NDP is implementing a carbon tax.

[sumdumguy]

They should be rewarding us for producing carbon, the backbone of green life.

[TOM4CWB]

Very few newer big HDclass trucks to find made before 2008... and newer than that isn't worth buying as tech is expensive and not reliable to keep it running... looks like over twice the cost of pre2008 engines to maintain. We have Tier 3 advanced... no Urea in our Farm equip engines... they are very clean running no need to upgrade for many years to come now.

For New equip... $150/hr to hook up computers and work through software glitches... Chinese Service advisor software systems getting much better for pre2008 engines... if tech guys/mechanics are on top of working through the software.

We have painted ourselves into a software corner... computers everywhere... need young and old alike to keep this equip running... that are brighter than I.

Its all real nice when it works! Good and happy people are the key now. Human Resourses will be the No1 issue ahead... innovation to keep folks happy and working environment destressed as Gov wants fingers in everything. AS oil/coal shuts down... afraid they [gov] will have much spare time to spend on AG. We will need to double Admin time spent.

[blackpowder]

Just think of how many new union jobs are being created.