CWB MONOPOLY...Barley prices in Chaos

[wedino]

Henbendt, It was you that eluded to “old folks”. In my reply I was to referring to ALL landlords, including retired farmers. My position remains unchanged, that being only active producers should be allowed to vote in cwb director elections. You are entitled to your opinion & I hope you respect mine, FWIW.

[dnach]

Kernel, I as well want all these questions answered, but no one will give a straight answer. I beleive that the wheat market should be wide open, the same as Canola. When someone gives me a logical answer why not, I may change my opinion. I am tired of, well if it was not for the CWB in the 40's ......We live in a new millenium where we market 6 out of the 8 crops we grow very successfully, now someone give me a straight up answer, why not Malt barley and wheat!

[henbent]

Kernel, Well the name calling has started, and the positions are entrenched to say the least. I can assure you that I am not wet behind the ears, nor am I on welfare. You win the CWB is bad, because you say it's bad, I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for the rest of us to jump on your band wagon. Us dictators can only be dethroned by the might and the right of the good old USA, from the looks of it. You can have your cake and eat it to while the rest of us, starve, and freeze in the dark!!

[parsley]

Don't ignore my question, henbent.

Parsley

[henbent]

parsley, I'm back, your worst nightmare!! First of all parsley, I've said it before and I'll say it again Que. & Ont. have been treated special by the Feds on many occassions in the past, because, that's where the votes are. I have little or no interest in buyback, I sell grain.

kernel, Boy you have been staying up late, maybe too late. You point out that I am a dictator and on welfare at the same time neither goes together methinks. If the CWB lost its monopoly it wouldn't be able to garantee quality or supply. I don't know where you market but I feel the open market would cause more risk in the long run. Hey you're a good marketer, keep going back for that wheat price. Where is it? A neighbour, a feedlot, no likely a seed farm this year. I often get further payments from the CWB later in the year too. I wouldn't like all the sales to be at discounts, but at times good customers need to be treated a bit special A bird in hand you know! Who is my grain company? AU bailed last summer, now they want to sell me inputs fat chance. Where should I go now? All are 70 - 115 mi. away grain co's can kiss my a--!!!!! I sell into the pool for various reasons, unlike you sometimes my grain isn't tops, blend stir everyone makes money. World price is what? I'm busy on the farm haven't got time, go figure. Canola market is in a jam now, price falling, GMO problem and green seed nowhere to sell. What will the open market do? Flour mills are getting grain, at least no shortages of quality flour on the shelves. EU subsidizes because they respect their farmers, want them on small farms, not in the city, they know what hunger is, WWI & II tough times. US "Freedom To Farm Policy" votes, cheap food, so people can spend on other stuff, repub. blue collar workers a lot are farmers.
Domestic millers are producing quality flour, they must have access to good grain. Have you had a bad doughnut lately? No not every farmer would head South, not practical in most cases, a lot would though, Greenbacks real money why not, till US stops them. They don't really need our grain. US markets rely on soybeans the last I heard, cheap good for you, they aren't crazy about canola and at any rate raise enough. The open market manipulates even more, ie Enron, Brex, et al crap going on recently on the exchanges. I don't have all the answers and specifics, but time will tell, then we can look back again and see our mistakes and LEARN from them. Long winded, lots of ground to be covered in this mess!! Go CWB go, keep up the fair work, at least your honest enough to pass an audit.

[henbent]

Henbent your CWB audit didn't do an accounting to see if the CWB was getting us a fair price or not. A fair audit would entail taking all the sales contracts the CWB made in a given year and compare that back to the world price which would be discovered at Portland Oregon as of the last few years. No such audit was done.

A fair price is what I'am looking for and I think I got the answer yesterday. The fair price is $8.00 paid by a flour mill for high quality wheat not $6.26 that the CWB is paying. If the CWB is not sell #1 or #2 wheat domestically at that price how much are they getting in the export market that we done see for a particular grade of wheat.

Insulting you helps to get some sort of answer from you. But you are an uninformed preacher for the Canadian Welfare Board. You better take sometime to do some information gathering on the markets because I'am getting tried of supporting your socialistic ways.

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

At the CWB accountability meeting in Red Deer last night we learn't a few things...

THE Ontario Wheat Board runs, for 2003...

Cash Pricing...

Pool Pricing...

Deferred Delivery Contracts...

Basis Contracts...

Minimum Price Contracts...

Direct Marketing Program outside the Ontario Board;

All at the same time... as much or as little of each option as an Ontario farmer sees the need to do on his farm...

President Webster of the Ontario Wheat Board said... why would you drive a car built in WWII when you could have the choice of driving high performance car... built in 2003?

Good question, isn't it Henbent?

BOY you folks sure were busy while I was at my meetings!

[boone]

Kernel, do you mean to say you want to equate your little Boutique grain sale against the marketing of 10-15 million tonnes day in day out ebb and flow, come on think what you are saying. Even if all canola farmers would have the good sense to price at$10.00 , and god knows it was there plenty long enough, how long would it have lasted if they had got off their collective duffs? The real question here is how can a toll handler(line company) set prices. They don't except in the past tense, yes they use the market but are usually hedging risk. Does the term COST-PLUS mean anything to you. When was the last time a line co. ever made a market. The only one that comes to mind is LINOLA UGG. Where as the CWB worked in the 60s to develop the Durum market as you and I enjoy it today (Hercules Durum), Harder CPS White,(Vista) soon to come will be Hard White Wheat. Maybe if you would quit ankle bighting we could find middle ground sooner. The U.S. has the USDA doing the same thing on it's behalf. Let's not throw the baby out with bathwater. I have been upset with some of the CWB decisions too, but you sound like a political zealot when you carry on. just my opinion. BOONE

[parsley]

henbent,

You entered this discussion with:

"I think that the right guys went to jail during the CWB protests"

I wondered why why you would applaud seeing your peers being jailed and I thought perhaps you did not fully understand these issues:

That, in fact, the jailed farmers failed to report in writing, which, of course, is not presenting a CWB license.

That they couldn't present a CWB license because all Prairie farmers are automatically denied an export license.

That the CWB boys CLAIM you must do a buyback in order to get a license.

That the CWB ACT does not require anyone to do a buyback in order to get a license.

That the CWB boys have dreamed up this in-house licensing requirement in the backroom....but only for the West.

There seems to be a calculated evasivenes underlying your comments, henbent. You seem to be unable to acknowledge that one policy for the East and another for the West is unfair. And you will not concede that these two different policies governed by one Act cannot be either logical or legal.

You reply that you have no interest in buyback. You reply that you sell grain. Your comments are insincere.

Your reply indicates that the East doesn't do the buyback because the CWB is ultimately run by politicians. There's a glimmer of hope here because you got that right.

Your reply indicates that MP's straw vote can supercede the CWB Act. No no no, henbent.

But, after all these entries, the only argument you have presented in favor of not issuing export licenses to the West, is one that you robbed from our PM:

"I likes it like dat."

Parsley

[henbent]

kernel, So let me get this straight, I am now a preacher/commie, this doesn't work either like dictator/welfare bum. I get the impression that you are not only a master marketer, but simply a blowhard and full of --it. Remember the old saying, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing!!! You are hurting your cause when sinking to this level this is like the Alliance/PC guys that are hard at work vs one another. This adds nothing to the discussion except to p-ss me off!