CWB MONOPOLY...Barley prices in Chaos

[TOM4CWB]

Boone and Henbent;

GUYS... you are no better than Kernel... in fact you prove Kernel's point... why?

I posted this;

THE Ontario Wheat Board runs, for 2003...

Cash Pricing...

Pool Pricing...

Deferred Delivery Contracts...

Basis Contracts...

Minimum Price Contracts...

Direct Marketing Program outside the Ontario Board;

All at the same time... as much or as little of each option as an Ontario farmer sees the need to do on his farm...

President Webster of the Ontario Wheat Board said... why would you drive a car built in WWII when you could have the choice of driving high performance car... built in 2003?

NOW, instead of the CWB and yourselves respecting The Kernel's property... and my property...

You folks are calling us names.... which is not helpful... and does not force the CWB to provide marketing options equivelent to what Ontario wheat growers have avaliable to them... not even close.

I understand in 2002... over 70% of Ontario wheat was contracted and did not go into the Ontario pooling accounts.

This is the point.

THe Pooling accounts the CWB has are voluntary... according to the CWB Act and Supreme Court of Canada... yet the CWB will destroy us and themselves before giving us a reasonable choice outside the pooling accounts.

THAT is what this is all about...

Commercial farmers need modern marketing tools and risk management programs like Ontario Wheat farmers have demanded and received from their Wheat Board...

ANd Measner/Ritter would rather destroy wheat/barley growing in Western Canada... than to provide responsible alternatives that can and need to be provided to "designated area" commercial grain farmers!

ANd for that; IMHO; THEY SHOULD GO TO JAIL!

CHAIRMAN RITTER knows it too...

what's the sign...

CHAIRMAN RITTER won't even come to an CWB accountability meeting in his own district 4... on the Alberta side of the border!

AND CWB STAFF wouldn't show up to the District 2 CWB accountability meeting on March 3rd... cause they know they are breaking the law as well IMHO!

THe COURT of PUBLIC OPINION... has clearly spoken... and the CWB has not been serious about admitting they have not been telling the truth... to either of you, Henbent or Bonne!

[TOM4CWB]

I didn't explain "CWB Staff" as being CEO Measner, CHAIRMAN RItter, and legal council for the CWB... Bonnie DuPont in charge of COrporate Governance... and this was the intended meaning...

It is very unfair to Earl Geddes... and to farmers ...

...for the CWB to be so un accountable... at a CWB Corporate Accountability Meeting!

[TOM4CWB]

F.Y.I..

CWB Act

"Section 32. (1) The Corporation shall undertake the marketing of wheat produced in the designated area in interprovincial and export trade and for that purpose shall

(a) buy all wheat produced in the designated area and offered by a producer for sale..."

THis is the only way the CWB can buy grain for the pooling accounts...

If a producer "offered" it to the CWB...

THE CWB ACT does Not the authorise CWB's MEASNER/RItter to extort and confiscate it through economic blackmail and fraud!

[TOM4CWB]

Boone and Henben I'am sincerly sorry to to upset you boys and I'am sorry for any name calling. The reaction is what I wanted and to read myt information that might encourage you to further investigate the short coming of (the CWB.

Boone my market how ever small it might be is never the less the market,( and its an dam site better than the CWB market) and we can only imagine how big a market it would grow to be without the CWB discouraging value added industry in western Canada.

[parsley]

You are right, Tom4CWB. The CWB,legally, only has dibs on the grain that DA producers offer to them.

These jailed farmers didn't offer a bushel and they should not have been jailed for selling what they grow. Not legally and certainly not morally.

Kernel,I thought I was going to have to tie you up with henbent and leave both of you tied-up together like a pair of cantankerous old bulls.

Parsley

[henbent]

boone, Boy it is hard to preach/teach the fallen, they have their minds made up. This is going now where fast, thank goodness we remain in control. They ingnore the Crow, love the grain companies and railroads, trash the CWB at their peril. Wasn't it us that built the elevators that they tore down, tohelp us all be like the US. Grain companies and railroads look ONLY at the bottom line. If the new way of thinking doesn't work, they'll bail again and start selling frilly undergarments, if there is money to be made. These guys are business people manipulating us to their ends. AB Ag offices close, the salespeople can get closer to us and low and behold their products and tech answers, which come at a cost will solve our problems u betchaa! Tnx boone for your common sense.

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent and Boone;

Ontario wheat growers have a fully transparent market... and production has almost doubled is the past couple of years...

AND the Ontario Wheat Board is more competitive, offering some of the most advanced risk management programs on the face of planet earth...

SO why shouldn't I have the right to market with the same type of marketing tools as the Ontario Farmer?

If Alberta is not a part of Canada... which I have understood in the past that Ontario was a part of... then please let me know... I understand we operate under the same consitution... again let me know if this is not the truth...

Henbent;

Boone;

Is it worth totally destroying and dismantling the CWB... rather than to allow modern risk management tools such as those offered to Ontario wheat growers by the Ontario Wheat Board?

[boone]

Tom4cwb,Kernel etc. I don't think there has been any name calling unless your refering to zealot which is more of I think in this case a condition or symptomatic reaction. You keep talking about Ontario like you expect a level playing field, as some one that has subscribed to The Rural Voice for a least a dozen years, they have their battles too. However in the case of wheat they had it heads and tails over us when there was a two price wheat system as well. They were growing Katepwa wheat and hauling it down the road to flour mills for 8.00 per bushell when the rest of us were getting world price plus a meager share of CWB sales to the millers in Canada. Lifes a bitch sometimes, but dumping on a system without CONSTRUCTIVE input with your only credo being self interest God help us and eventually all as me first and the devil take the hindmost. You know you fellas didn't invent to thine own self be true it's gotta history we've been there before, Ask your grandad or great uncle. At the end of the day should we all become a bunch of grasping squeeling boars stepping accross each others strewn bodies. Now Tom that is a bunch of words. Consider them.Boone

[TOM4CWB]

Boone;

Constructive criticism...Hmmmm

I will give it an honest try Boone...

The CWB does not charge a buy-back on a host of barley and wheat that leaves the "designated area"... if Canadian law requires the buyback… then why doesn't the CWB charge it to everyone?

1. In Creston BC…which was in the CWB "designated area" till 1998..., from 1983-1998, these CWB wheat farmers got no cost export licenses... exemption from quota's and contract calls... all because the CWB said they were getting poor elevator service from the Alberta Wheat Pool... and the railroad.

Creston wheat growers still had to fill out a CWB permit book each year... and enter each export load going into the US... in the CWB Permit book, and on the no-cost export license.

If the CWB Act requires the CWB to charge the buy-back... and it is mandatory under the CWB Act...why did these people receive a no cost export license while Manitoba farmers were going to jail for doing exactly the same thing?

2. Why do "designated area" pedigreed wheat and barley seed growers get the same no cost license exemption as the folks in "Creston" got?

The CWB Act has no exemptions written in for seed on “seeding purposes” as the CWB makes people swear it is to be exported for…

If the law is that all "designated area" wheat and barley being exported from Canada must be sold through the Pooling account of the CWB… and, since a CWB Act seed exemption doesn't exist... why does the CWB exempt the very seed stocks of our high quality grains?

Since the US northern plains can compete on quality directly with the same "designated area" varieties we grow, without buyback charges…

now

I understand close to 40% of the wheat and barley grown now... in the northern US… are our Canadian varieties! And the CWB exported them with no restrictions at all.

3. Manufactured feed with up to 75% wheat or barley is allowed into the US... with no buy-back charged...(according to the CWB Act over 25% is within CWB jurisdiction) so these "designated area" feed mills... many of which are integrated multinational companies... are exempt from the "designated area" buy-back system as well, with out CWB Act exemptions... WHY?

4. The CWB PPO contracts are unfair and deceptive… they state we will not be charged any more than the CWB costs… but in reality the basis is both unfair and punitive for anyone unfortunate enough to get sucked into doing one of these contracts… And the CWB directors can’t even experience how bad these contracts are… they made it against the law for a director to even do a PPO contract.

So Boone… I it is my job… to do PPO contracts… and it is my obligation to bring to the attention of yourself… as well as the CWB… that these contracts are unfair… and unworthy of existence, and especially as being promoted a “market choice” option, in any free and democratic country.

How do we resolve these issues Boone?

Now Boone... I have considered honestly what you have pointed out...

Will you respect my right to honestly question why the CWB breaks the law... and sends farmers to jail... for only doing what the CWB already allows many other farmers in the "designated area" to do without cost or punishment?

[boone]

Tom4cwb I have been aware of the bulk of what you are telling me a (seed sales,Creston, feedmills except for the percentages of whole grains in the mix). I respect your right to speak out that is how change is made. But your frustration (and you are aware of this as much as the rest of us) moves us from making well presented arguments with substantiated facts. One point I would like to advance here is everyone of our elevators are having trouble turning a normal return on capital for a variety of reasons, and you and I both know that they have very little risk offset (basis) for board grains put in to their handling fees. This is of course because they are pure toll handlers except for buying and missblending mistakes. The CWB you/me underwrite these costs. (right or wrong). Can you imagine what they would have to do in a future without CWB. They will be forced to repatriate the basis the CWB has squeezed out of them on tenders to keep a float. Now I think you may feel it would be worth it, but think, they aren't going to create this 8-14 $ per tonne out of thin air. It will come out of yours and mine price per tonne. As a cost associated to risk, once this happens the only ones that can carry this can are The multis. The small independents and farmer and family owned are toast. Margins too small, risk is too great. In a best case scenario our wheat board and our sovereignty would die together, and we would become part of U.S.A. marketing and subsidy system but you and I both know this idea is stillbirth. So till we can get in writing that we will be one market in perpetuity for heaven sakes be carefull what you wish for. Does this make any sense. Boone