CWB MONOPOLY...Barley prices in Chaos

[parsley]

Dyno and henbent,

Let's talk about common sense.


The CWB says the buyback is in the Licensing part of the Act ...46(d).

The Licensing part of the act applies equally to all applicants throughout Canada.

If the buyback is where the CWB says it is, why isn't Quebec and Ontario doing the buyback?

The question has to be answered, doesn't it, if you believe common sense must prevail.

Parsley

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I have been thinking about getting into making them. I have a set of muffs I received from a local auction sale and the design is very simple, yet effective. Not sure what kind of market is out there for them though.

I think I could easily sell them for $15-20 a pair.

[henbent]

Dyno,wedino,TOM4CWB,parsley, First off Thank You Dyno, I thought maybe I was alone out here. wedino Lets see wasn't it the old folks, that homesteaded, cleared the land of trees, stumps, roots and rocks, burned the piles, fenced, grew crops and sold throughout the bad markets and wars. At the same time these folks raised a family and established governments, put in place systems to make things better for the West. They sold to us, helping and giving advice when needed, they still pay taxes to this date. IT IS US, who grabbed the big loans, bought big iron and now complain and try to lay blame elsewhere when we can't make a go of it. Yeah I guess its about time we put the old ones on an ice flow and cut them adrift, after all they don't know what real air conditioning is after all and that the CWB is a dead duck. Why should they even have an interest in us or this country. NO neither the CWB nor its employees should go to jail because they are a legal entity in this nation. Buyback, does not enter into the picture for me, I am a producer I grow and market grain, I don't want the dang stuff back, I want the best price I can get, cash for the bank.

[boone]

Henbent, you are not alone out here as a CWB supporter however inspite of the changes and improvements that have come about, and I am loathe to say the Western Wheat Growers have pushed for many of the improvements (protein payments per point, basis contracts etc) which have been good for all of us. The problem as I see it is you don't get an averaging up and down in prices as much as we always thought. If the CWB was running scared in Sept.02 and not pricing into the rally because they didn't know what they had or were trying to stretch out supplies for domestic customers and long standing highpriced buyers (Japan,etc) they may have done us a diservice they may in effect average us down. Now don't get me wrong I support them most of the time but if this happened it is unacceptable not to sell us down to the last bushell and test a new high in the market. Same for Barley it is prudent to sell every last damn bu. out of your stores if the received price is higher somewhere, even if it forces a deficit later. They owe it to price discovery not to play games. As for lost opportunity with frozen and fusarium south of the border, that may be as much a Grain Commission and standards problem, that should be rectified as new equipment becomes available. If it doesn't meet HRS standards here I agree set it free. Anything to better our GDP and balance of payments. When Tom makes all that cash Putine and Co. will look after it.
sorry for the length of string Boone

[boone]

Sold #1 wheat 15 protein for $8.02 today. The CWB PRO is suggesting a price of $6.26/bus. What does the CWB do with the other $1.76/bus that we done see from their price to farmers.

Oh maybe they give it to the CWB welfare supporters who can't market their own wheat or grow quality, quanity or protein. Maybe they should reconsidered their opinion, what the CWB is doing is not rocket science it is fraud and it effects the world price of wheat and malt barley badly as far as producers are concerned.

You CWB supports get off you butt and put your copy of grain matters down and look for a price for your wheat. You will be supprised at what you will learn about the industry.

[henbent]

Boone, I agree with your comments and as I've pointed out previously, they don't always get it right, nobody or no business always does. Hindsight is always 20/20. I don't think that because they have made, and will make some mistakes in the future that the organization should be trashed!! The ongoing questioning of the board, and changes, as slow as they might have been have made a better organization, that continues to evolve. Heck, I bet even the farmer directors that are our current representitives find marketing on a large national scale, challenging. I've noticed that during this lengthy discussion that none of my questions were ever answered by detractors. I have only, constantly been challenged, in some cases about stuff I've never heard of and in other cases on subject so obscure, I doubt the average joe farmer will ever run up against them!! Unless, they live in the South and hope to sell into the US. Stay warm out there guys, weather sounds bad for the next few days.

[henbent]

Henbent: I don't recall you asking any questions. Your mind is closed to an open market because you believe the large grain co's. will take us all to the cleaners.

Tell me why a voluntary CWB would not work in a open market system.

Tell me why you want to force your marketing agency on to me. Just because the majority rules that something as simple as marketing a product should be forced on to a minority that knows that the open market would do alot more for risk management.

Tell me under our present marketing system what is the real honest price of wheat in the world.

Tell me where the premium that the CWB says they obtain for producers is, read my thread above before you answer this one.

Tell me why you want a government controlled agency to sell your grain for a huge discount world wide to keep their best customers happy.

Tell me why your present grain co. would not be capable of selling your grain for you.

Tell me why a pooling system could give you premium over the world price.

Tell me why our grain co's. can sell up to 10 million tonnes of canola into the world market and to a domestic crush and they wouldn't be capable of handling 20 million tonnes wheat that they all ready handle but are apparently to incompetent to sell it into a world market.

Tell me why a flour mill can not buy wheat from a producer without going through the CWB. What are we afraid of our selves or high wheat prices.

Tell me did CWB pricing proceedures cause the EU and the USA to pay subsidies to their producers because the CWB drew the price of wheat so low with their indiscrimate pricing policy that they had to do something.

Tell me why we have a marketing agency that is so export orientated that they will sell high milling wheat out of the country and refuse to supply our domestic processors. All they will supply to them is low qualities of wheat. Is this building an added value industry within Western Canada.

Don't you think we have got to let entrepreneurship in domestic processing carry our industry to great heights.

Have you ever marketed Milling wheat or malt barley anyother way than through the CWB.

Do you think every farmer will rush the border as soon as there is an open market.

Do you think we can't market wheat the way canola is marketed now. Nobody is over running the border now with canola and nobody is undercutting the American farmers market price now with canola either.

I believe that we will sell as much or maybe more wheat and malt if we stop working against world pricing mechanisms. Allow competition and an active bidding process discover price for our product. Over supply is not the problem with the world wheat market it is price discovery that is being manipulated by agencies selling outside of a world pricing mechanism that dosen't allow for an honest price to be set and obtained by producers.

[henbent]

kernel, $8.02 for #1 HRSW is a good price, it is obvious that you are a good farmer, and marketer considering what a lousy drought year that it has been for many of us on the farm. I suspect that the $1.76 the CWB is holding back may be for a combination of reasons, ie admin costs, nobody does anything for nothing, there may be insurance involved and probably some handling fees. I guess the recent Auditor General's audit, would probably be a better place to find the answer to you question, I'm just an ordinary farmer. At this point I'd like to clarify one point that you've aluded to,
as a farmer I am not a welfare type, neither are the vast majority of my friends and neighbours. Terrible tough times do strike people though, even farmers, as proud as they might be and I don't think that you have a right to generalize saying that because farmers market via the CWB they are collecting welfare. You are STRECHING it a bit, and even a MASTER grower and seller should be careful not to sound stupid when making such a goofy remark. I hope my comments and pro-board stance don't keep you up at night!!

[parsley]

henbent,
You'e feeling your oats today, but I'd like to get back to issues again. After all, that is what fruitful discussion is all about. Issues. You are able to understand this issue, but you still haven't addressed it, so here goes again:


The CWB says the buyback is in the Licensing part of the Act.

The Licensing part of the act applies equally to all applicants throughout Canada.

If the buyback is where the CWB says it is, why isn't Quebec and Ontario doing the buyback?

Please don't change the subject again, henbent. Bite the bullet.

Parsley

[parsley]

Henbent: I guess you answered my questions the CWB charges away to much for their marketing expertise.

You are a very political acting person. You are insenitive to informed detail to effect change for the better. You answer questions in a generalized maybe it is this or that that is the cause of problems never any well informed answer to help understand why the CWB holds our hand to the fire.

CWB supporters actually gloat over holding confident and progressive farmers to the undemocratic single desk marketing.

It must make you feel real good to keep the young and most progressive farmers in the history of agriculture oppressed by the dictorial ways of the CWB.

Now the USA has hit the CWB with a trade duty on wheat. Thanks alot enlighten one. Keep on letting someelse look after your income, its called welfare.