bill c-6

[TOM4CWB]

DML,

"But we all know of farmers who are poor employers, and the accident and death rate show there is a problem in our industry."

I call Bull. Alberta has a lower death rate than BC that has mandatory OHS/WCB. Where do you live and farm that you can make those claims! Workers around here are the most important part of modern grainfarms with $Millions in equipment that need skilled people to run them! The last thing we want is an injured member of our family or crew. Your attitude is revolting.

[SASKFARMER3]

Tom quit sticking up for this woman. My god did you turn NDP.
Really she is totally insane.
I told you guys How the NDP works. It is about destroying every one who works.
Once they get bred into the system and get one group retired from jobs and God help you if they get another election under their belt. Your goose is cooked.
They don't give a shit about farmers or Oil patch jobs that pay good. They want useless Civil servants to monitor and get paid to study do basically jack shit and tell every one else what to do.
All our rats are living in Alberta now.
GOD HELP YOU GUYS!

[TOM4CWB]

SF3

We must live with Premier Notley and people like DML... not easy but we will get through this... Alberta Farmers are a resilient and resourceful group of folks... even if they did NOT vote in ND MLA's!

This OHS/WCB farm safety thing is like:

If all Alberta Auto drivers were required to switch to an ICBC style insurance provider... and not allowing any other private insurance carriers to insure our autos... to reduce auto insurance costs in Alberta.

We all know how many highway accidents that would prevent... and how good our insurance would be with a gov. only insurance providing the coverage.

This is exactly what many Alberta Farm families are being hit with DML... at Christmas... to be implemented Jan 1 2016.

Not Fair,
Not Right,
No Choice...

And Alberta farmers did not vote in Premier Notley... so this is as undemocratic as it gets!

Hope Premier Notley thinks this through before passing this Bill 6 Legislation!

[dmlfarmer]

Tom:
Exactly what are you calling "Bull" on me for?

Do you not believe there is a problem with deaths (and injuries) in agriculture? (note: nowhere in the quote you used from me to I specify Alberta!)

Agriculture is the 3rd most hazardous industry in Canada (http://www.abfarmsafety.com/resources/statistics.htm)

Between 1990 and 2008 there were 1975 agriculture deaths in Canada (http://www.cair-sbac.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/CAIR-booklet-blue-ENFin.pdf)

Between 1990 and 2008 there were 355 fatalities on Alberta farms which is 10/100,000 well above most other industries.(http://injurypreventioncentre.ca/documents/data/Alberta_CAISP_Deaths1990-2009_FINAL.pdf)

The Alberta Medical examiner's office reported 25 farm fatalities in 2014 and an average of 18.38 deaths per year between 1997 and 2014. (http://www.abfarmsafety.com/resources/statistics.htm)

Tell me Tom: How many farm deaths are okay with you?

You call bull on me but do not back up your call with any facts!

Earlier you tried to insult me by saying " Interesting that you know more than folks... including those who run OHS in Alberta... and asking where my time machine was" yet you are the one consulting with government and claiming to speak for farmers.

And you say my attitude is revolting...HA HA HA!

[dmlfarmer]

Oh, BTW Tom, while Alberta had 25 farm deaths in 2014, BC had 5!

[farmaholic]

I don't know if that is a valid comparison. If you're talking Ag sector deaths, Alberta's Ag sector is how many times bigger than B.C.'s? It turns into an odds thing. Although that doesn't justify jack shit. One is too many!!

[dmlfarmer]

You are right farmaholic. BC has only a third of the number of people employed in ag that Alberta has (stats can 2014 BC 24.3thousand, AB 60.6 thousand) I was responding to Tom's unsubstantiated claim that BC death rate is higher than Alberta.

Interestingly, we do not even know for sure how bad the problem is in Alberta. There is only a voluntary reporting system for farm accidents in Alberta. Some hospitals do not classify and report if an injury was farm related.

[blackpowder]

As a dung beetle myself, I would say there is enough shit to roll around.
Obviously dml has some experience that gives strength to his opinion.
Tom, our ag population has had their head in the sand for too long on this issue. Hence the steamroller. Almost assuredly, the ndp is gleefully reaching for the Vaseline with haste!
Do I live in a cave? Or were some farm orgs involved in education and liason that I dont know about?
Were all previous govts sweeping this under the rug?? There is a lot of stored energy and momentum behind this thing. How dry is the ink?
Can you imagine if the _ _ _ had been gone as fast?

[perfecho]

Previous government initiated this bill....just a matter of time, again...can't live in the past all the time. However, I do agree that making sure it is not too onerous, is our responsibility....

[TOM4CWB]

DML..

With NO farm accidents or claims for our farm since 1979... I am convicted of being an uncaring accident prone farmer who needs stringent oversight and massive increase in regulatory burden... simply because I don't fit [you say I do fit] into your cookie cutter farmers are stupid uncaring people who hurt workers mould.

Safety on farm family operations is a culture... and for the vast majority of farmers who are accident free for decades... this tirade convicting us of being lazy bullies and uncaring selfish greedy operators ... makes me frankly sick.

Go beat on your dog or cat for a while... I am sick of being your whipping boy.