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    History Tommy Douglas and the NDP

    This site has many distorted views of the NDP have been expressed on this site including distorted views of Tommy Douglas.
    One post By Saskfarmer3 titled "How the NDP will destroy you like Saskatchewan in the 30's" So for the record the CCF came to power in Saskatchewan in 1944. So how could they destroy Sask in the 30's.
    http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/tommy-douglas-greatest-canadian-feature/

    Tommy Douglas: "Greatest Canadian"
    The story of the CCF began during the Great Depression. The stock market crash of 1929 and a lengthy drought devastated the economy. Neither Prime Minister Mackenzie King and his Liberals nor R.B. Bennett and the Conservative Opposition were inclined to do anything, believing that the economic crisis required no extraordinary measures.
    On June 15, 1944 the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation (CCF), led by the dynamic Tommy Douglas, won Saskatchewan to form North America's first socialist government. The party that had begun as a social welfare movement changed the tone of Canadian government.
    The story of the CCF began during the Great Depression. The stock market crash of 1929 and a lengthy drought devastated the economy. Neither Prime Minister Mackenzie King and his Liberals nor R.B. Bennett and the Conservative Opposition were inclined to do anything, believing that the economic crisis required no extraordinary measures. Both parties suggested changing the Canadian market through tariffs, leaving the provinces to handle the social problems caused by the economic collapse.
    In the 1930 election, Bennett's Conservatives emerged as the surprising victor. Bennett maintained the "self-made man's attitude to social distress: self-help was better than public assistance.” He soon became the target of intense dislike by Canadians who needed tangible help, not sermons, to cope with their hardship.
    As Bennett's government failed to restore the nation's prosperity and the Depression ground on, unrest grew across the country. One effect of the disintegrating Conservative government was "the emergence of new, unorthodox political movements.” One of these was the CCF, founded in Calgary in 1932 by a coalition of farmers, academics and Ottawa MPs associated with farmer and trade-union organizations. They produced the "Regina Manifesto” in 1933, calling for the creation of a political vehicle that would rescue Canada from the Depression.
    The Manifesto promised unemployment and health insurance, public housing, agricultural price supports, laws to protect farmers from creditors and public ownership of major industries and financial institutions. Its first leader was J.S. Woodsworth, a sensitive man and devout Christian who held strong opinions on helping the less fortunate.
    Woodsworth challenged the division between rich and poor and questioned Canada's immigration policy and those who tolerated treating immigrants like commodities, "as cheap labour.” His intense interest in social problems led him to speak out about individual cases. In 1909 he wrote a letter to the Manitoba Free Press about a "little foreign girl” he had seen living in filth in a North Winnipeg tenement, asking if anyone could help her. The little girl lived in deplorable conditions, her family sharing one bed, which doubled as table and chairs, and in which she languished with horrible open sores on her body. Woodsworth blamed conditions in the slums on the businessmen and politicians who created North Winnipeg and the "society people, our church people” who "obtain in some cases, double the legitimate rentals” for the tenements.

    Tommy Douglas standing under a CCF billboard shortly after his election, with C.M. Fines and Clarence Gillis (courtesy Saskatchewan Archives Board).
    The CCF quickly became established in Canadian politics, electing its members to provincial legislatures and Parliament. WWII hastened the party's shift from social welfare to political action. At the beginning of the war, the CCF was split between supporters of Woodsworth, who believed that war solved nothing and only distracted people from important social problems, and those who supported Canada's entry into the war.
    M.J. Coldwell, favouring Canada's participation in the conflict, succeeded Woodsworth as leader. Under his guidance the party flourished. In 1942 the CCF won the York South by-election and in 1943 held enough seats to form the Opposition in Ontario. The following year the party in Saskatchewan formed North America's first socialist government.
    King and his party responded to the CCF's success by adopting some of the party's most popular policies, cutting off "the threat on the left” and initiating the federal government's involvement in social and economic affairs. The Liberals hoped to prevent a post-war Depression and in the process laid the foundation for Canada's welfare state. To the Old Age Pension plan, they added an unemployment-insurance scheme (1940) and a system of family allowances (1944). They also promoted policies to support home building, find work for demobilized war vets and increase federal assistance to health care.
    After the war, the CCF declined in popularity, accused of being associated with communism. Cold War tension made it a ruinous comparison. In 1956 the party replaced the Regina Manifesto with the more moderate Winnipeg Declaration, to no avail. The CCF suffered a devastating defeat in 1958.
    Although the CCF never held national power, the adoption of many of its policies propelled Canada's evolution into a social democracy with universal social programs, strong union movement and a state committed to creating jobs and eliminating regional disparities. The CCF became the NDP in 1961.

    #2
    strong union movement and...
    transferring cash to end regional disparity.....
    ya.. let me get my dictionary.

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      #3
      tommy-douglas-greatest-canadian-
      Well maybe ........... Just wish he would have done it somewhere else.

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        #4
        And kept Canada in the stone age...good call....that's why people vote in progressives now and then.....

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          #5
          blackpowder What is your dictionary Mein Kampf
          I didn't write this it comes from the Canadian Encyclopedia
          I was pointing out that Tommy Douglas came to power in the 1944 not the 30's as was stated by Saskfarmer3
          It seems you are a very angry person who seems to blame your personal failings on someone else. There is no substance or analysis in your outbursts.

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            #6
            Just like a true lefty. The minute you don't agree with what someone says resort to threats and name calling. Now your saying that if your conservative your a nazi by implications like the Hitler garbage? I've said it before. Right wing conservative people can have a rational conversation with anyone and if their political ideas aren't in line with yours well that's ok let's agree to disagree and move on. Now on the other hand if an ndp or green party hears you say something that they don't believe in its all out war. Insults and slamming you ridicule along with threats. Now your spewing your Tommy Douglas stuff something gets said that you don't like and you start making nazi comparisons. ....nice.....no surprise.

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              #7
              Really you brought up the manifesto God I wish he would've went to Alberta and screwed you guys the way he screwed us in this province we've got land resources more than Alberta ever had yea but he buried us greatest Canadian yeah right.
              Why is he the greatest Canadian outside yet we don't like him.

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                #8
                “Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money.”
                ― Margaret Thatcher

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                  #9
                  One of Alberta's biggest problems these days is Sask people stopped voting with their feet.
                  We no longer send our brightest and hardest working away to a land with more opportunity.

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                    #10
                    conservatives are happy when they
                    deliver the citizens assets and the right to govern to their corporate friends.

                    Harper did nothing but that.

                    you don't even have the right to own a seed anymore. the corp. will rent you one

                    you won't have a right to produce generic drugs or ag chemicals.

                    and for resource revenue , you would have never even had potash revenue ,
                    if not for the NDP.

                    and if Alberta had towed the line on oil revenues, like sask. wanted, they would both have money in the bank.
                    and yes Alberta got the development,
                    because they gave it all away.


                    come take everything you want.
                    all the pulp/lumber in northern Alberta for a one time dollar an acre, for 50 year contracts.
                    come take it all.
                    makes perfect sense.

                    they probably pumped as much oil as Norway , but have nothing to show for it.
                    and now on a newer thread the Frasier institute wants Alberta to sell it's land assets .

                    if your a farmer and gift away your produce. go broke then have to sell your land.

                    makes perfect sense to a Conservative

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                      #11
                      saskfarmer3 Do you stand by your statement
                      "How the NDP will destroy you like Saskatchewan in the 30's"
                      Is this a factual statement. You need to answer this or apologize for misleading the people on here?
                      No more rants and less misinformation are required on this site.

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                        #12
                        it does not have to be true.
                        you just have to say it a lot and people that don't know better believe it.

                        like the wall govt. being responsible for the sask. boom.
                        the Gormly brain at work
                        kinda like immaculate conception.
                        you just believe

                        it is a dam shame they did not share their secret to success with Alberta before it crashed.

                        too bad Devine did not do it years ago, .
                        why did they wait so long.
                        same guys aren't they .

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                          #13
                          So how did resource rich Saskatchewan have the same population for most of the last century?

                          There are things in life I'm angry about. But this aint one of them. Actually this thread is quite amusing.

                          Another slow day down at the union hall?

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                            #14
                            Well put Cris! We will continue to pay for these socialist do gooder programs. We cant afford this shit anymore. Healthcare is being drained by poor people, indians and immigrants that dont pay a ****in dime for this stuff. Look at how the free loaders ruined EI. Canada pension will be a joke by the time I get there. All great programs if u didnt **** all your whole life. Now us people who work our asses off have to pay for the environment. Save the whales bullshit. Never ****in ends with these people who sit around thinking up these brilliant ideas.

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                              #15
                              I see why some people get labeled.....

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