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    $5 corn for 2017... Canola? CDN$?

    Philip Shaw DTN Columnist
    Fri Dec 11, 2015 08:22 AM CST

    The December USDA report is usually a misnomer, especially in a year when harvest has been long over. The January USDA report is one of the big three of the year and with its "final" designation often is a market mover. The holidays in between often serve as a time where low volumes make for some slow trade. The USDA December report did not diverge from that this year. The December USDA report does not say anything about crop size, always looking more at the stock's position and the different facets of demand within the grain complex.

    The USDA set corn-ending stocks at 1.785 billion, with the 2015-16 ending stocks-to-use ratio of 12.9%. The USDA left everything alone in the soybean complex with ending stocks at 465 million bushels. The ending stocks-to-use ratio is 12.4%. The wheat balance sheet was also left unchanged with the USDA noting that in Canada we had better wheat than the year before. Simply put, the bearish tone in the grain complex is almost institutionalized.

    So Thursday, my elevator manager phones me and said she had something for me. She said I've got a price of $5 for wet corn delivered in the fall of 2017 what say you? She is a wonderful person, and I would've liked to say something positive, but I was a bit flummoxed. So I told her no, I'm holding out for $6. I then went on to tell her about all the risk involved between now and fall 2017. I ended the conversation by saying I might not be here at the end of 2017, we'll see about the corn.

    So what does that say? Does it say that I'm the proverbial optimist when it comes to corn farming, or am I just flat out stupid? You can reserve the right to judge me in the fall of 2017, but we're so close to $5 now in Ontario, I didn't really feel like locking any crop down so far into the future. The Canadian dollar has been so volatile and grain futures so moribund, frankly, I'm hoping for better things.

    Of course, I heard rumors this week that my friend Darin Newsom, DTN Senior Analyst, mentioned soybean futures with a 6 in front of them, surely referring to some type of even greater bearish scenario. However, let's not fool ourselves. Futures are moribund. I said that in my last speaking engagement in Guelph, Ontario, and I plan on saying it a couple more times this winter. Unless things change, all three of our grains are in the lower range of the last five years. If we plant even more corn next year, and if South America has no production issues this winter, it is pretty hard to see that changing in any significant way. Yes, it looks like for now that $8.49, corn's all-time high is safe.

    Of course at the same time in Canada, the price optics are the same, but oh so very different. This past week, we have watched as the U.S. dollar went up and the Canadian dollar fell down into the $.73 range. Of course, oil dipped down to $37 a barrel. It just furthered the assertion that commodities have been the worst performing asset class in the last few years, and it seems to be getting worse. However in my local area, the cash price of corn is higher than it was a year ago, and it is about the same for soybeans. You can make an argument that Canadian producers are being fooled and American producers are facing the music.

    Of course some people would argue, probably correctly, that nobody should be fooled. We should know the difference between the futures and basis. What we need in Canada is a run in futures to combine with this big basis. However, the reality is it will come one of these days, but it's hard to get up for it with all this bearish hype in the way. There seems to be grain mountains everywhere.

    In the true nature of our agricultural economics, turning off the supply tap is never easy. The incentive is always to produce as much as we can on an individual basis every year because we are price takers. Add new technology to the mix and it becomes a vicious cycle. Overproduction is always the result. It's just that over the last seven years, we've had a bit of a demand explosion. Now, supply has caught up with that demand and we need some real fresh news, aka a Black Swan event or a South American production calamity to shake this bearish price environment.

    The saying goes, it is always the darkest before the dawn, at least for our American colleagues. They don't get calls asking them to contract corn for $5 in 2017! Needless to say, the loonie has created a winter mirage. Whatever you call it, it is what it is. We're in the grain doldrums.

    In agriculture, change is our only constant. Mother Nature has a job to do. Where it'll happen, nobody knows."

    #2
    Already got corn, beans and srw booked for '17 crop and orders in place for more. In my mind there's a lot more risk in the next two years of govt meddling in exchange rates and costing us on basis than there is of a big run up in Chicago prices

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      #3
      Canola? Based on fundamentals, prices should be where? And yet there are old crop bids for 11 or more. Anything could happen by fall 2017. ICBR but really don't see any disasters marketing wise for canola.

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        #4
        Canola @$10.50 CDN is $7.60US Don't think our price is very good. Because inputs and Iron are based off US$. Tough to buy with canola sitting at $7.60

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          #5
          I'd say that if the CND$ drops one more full cent from here, I believe it will cost an extra $0.40CND for every USD you want to purchase.(because of the exchange fees)

          Our Canadian prices should be skyrocketing up under this scenario, but the graincos are scooping all the exchange they can, it gravy for them.

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            #6
            New iron is nuts. No doubt.
            Most commodities are not in short supply. Market accordingly.

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              #7
              Boarder

              I agree but some will argue the exchange is in the basis calculation so they are not stealing anything.

              Lol.

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                #8
                Has anyone compared canola prices across the border in North Dakota?
                14.55 USD/cwt one place I looked. It is what it is.

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                  #9
                  Farming101: convert your USD/100weight to CAD$/bushel. And while your at it convert MGX wheat to CAD. I don't think wheat is as bad as it was the last two years. It is in the scope of reality with the exchange on the MGX price less a reasonable Canadian basis. Remember, my point had about a $60 total deductions per tonne in the "OLD ___ SYSTEM". One might argue that was an in-efficient system but that is another topic all together.

                  I have to peel spuds... be back soon.

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                    #10
                    Canola $10.00

                    MGEX March Wheat(5.07US X 1.38 exchange) $7.00CAD less some sort of basis for your location. I don't "think" we're doing that bad North of the 49th.

                    Verify?

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                      #11
                      Looks right. My thoughts are the 2015 crop "seems" to be getting bigger. It is shipping fairly well. (Canola actually very well). Across the border (unlike 2013-14) prices are similar. The dollar crash has wrecked our purchasing power but it could be worse.

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                        #12
                        This currency thing is nuts...

                        When she blows..

                        Nobody Knows...

                        Where it goes...

                        CDN $ lows...

                        QE Woes...

                        Money flows...

                        ECU Negative Interest tows...

                        USFED goes .1 up instead of .25???

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