Carberry is it under the knife also with new wheat rules in 17.

[Guest]

Since your experiment on the open market failed, it is time to bring back single-desk selling.

[seedsman]

Carberry is not scheduled to be moved to another class.

Here's the link with all the info

https://www.grainscanada.gc.ca/consultations/2015/classes-en.htm#tab5

By the way, I'm a seed grower, and I don't think seed growers were involved with these decisions. Some seed growers are also losing out on this, because they grow mostly varieties that will move to a (likely) lower priced market class.

[TOM4CWB]

SF3,

Did you actually read the CGC info on the new class Canada Northern Hard Red (CNHR)?

I won't be surprised... if CWRS is like our Nexera or [Specialty Oil] Canola vs Commodity Canola... with a premium... as it yields less and needs to be within spec to meet end use requirements of customers.

"- Effective August 1, 2016, a new wheat class with the proposed name Canada Northern Hard Red (CNHR) would be implemented and the existing interim wheat class would be eliminated.
The proposed Canada Northern Hard Red (CNHR) class would:
Potentially include registered varieties of hard red wheat that do not fit into any existing wheat class including:
Varieties currently listed in the interim wheat class
Existing Canada Western Red Spring (CWRS) and Canada Prairie Spring Red
(CPSR) varieties that may be re-designated
Hard red wheat varieties which do not receive support from the Wheat, Rye and Triticale Quality Evaluation Team for other hard red wheat trials, but are recommended for registration by the Prairie Recommending Committee for Wheat,
Rye and Triticale (PRCWRT) and meet the requirements for the proposed Canada
Northern Hard Red (CNHR) class

New hard wheat varieties developed for specific markets and meet the quality requirements of the proposed Canada Northern Hard Red (CNHR) class
Have basic milling quality parameters."

These Hard Wheat changes are like saying Canola seed growers caused Nexera and Cargill specialty oil markets...which there is NO evidence of I can see.

Tin Foil Hat time for you... SF3.

[Grahamp]

Yeah seed growers definitely not behind this, Carberry has been our number one seller for three years.

[TOM4CWB]

Wiseguy, you exactly got it...

....Exactly.

If Carberry is mixed into the new 'Canada Northern Hard Red' (CNHR)... Class... just as you said...like mixing Nexera [Specialty High quality oil] into normal commercial canola...equals the lower generic canola price....

So;

Carberry will fetch the normal lower CNHR Canada Northern Hard Red wheat price...[instead of the higher CWRS price].

You nailed it.

[TOM4CWB]

"The Canadian Grain Commission will designate these varieties to another class as of August 1, 2018.

"[Leaving the] Canada Western Red Spring (CWRS) class...[Going to the CNHR Canada Northern Hard Red August 1 2018:]
AC Abbey
AC Cora
AC Eatonia
AC Majestic
AC Michael
AC Minto
Alvena
Alikat
CDC Makwa
CDC Osler
Columbus
Conway
Harvest
Kane
Katepwa
Leader
Lillian
McKenzie
Neepawa
Park
Pasqua
Pembina
Thatcher
Unity
5603HR."
https://www.grainscanada.gc.ca/consultations/2015/classes-en.htm#tab5

Clearly "Carberry" is not on the CGC list. AS STATED ABOVE... CARBERRY stays in the CWRS class... and will fetch the higher price... if sold as CWRS.

[bucket]

Columbus neepawa MacKenzie were mainstay wheats that kept canada at the forefront of being a top quality supplier of wheat.

Lillian was popular because of sawfly resistance.

Nothing was mentioned about gluten when developing these varieties or when moving them to commercialization.

The environment/weather the last few years has been more of a factor than any thing else.

Lap dog equals cgc/hermanson.

[farmaholic]

I think I read Carberrys quality specs set the bar for the lowest specs in the CWRS class. So don't be surprised if it falls out of the class easily in the future.

[TOM4CWB]

OK Logic and spelled out policy... mean nothing.

Tin Foil Hat time... AGAIN.

Over and Out.

[SASKFARMER3]

No its not tin foil hat tommy.
This new thing smells funny.
Top varieties are now shit.
That's the funny part.
Carberry we are happy with so will give up 5603. Yes yield will be down but also lodging wont be as much of a problem. But if Carberry is dropped to feed wow.
So yes Farm it will be in a year or two if all this shit show goes through.

[furrowtickler]

So who exactly is making these decisions ??

[SASKFARMER3]

Yes tom take off your Dunce hat and tell us what guys are on these boards that are making this decision. Who all the participants are.
We as farmers need to know who is holding all our cards with our best interest in mind.
Because for this farmer it looks like new seed each year as they will drop good varieties and make us get new ones.