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    Regime Change Creates Unusual Alliances

    I think Trump is right... and Clinton is wrong... on many issues!

    "NEWS
    Regime Change Creates Unusual Alliances
    Tue Dec 22, 2015 06:27 AM CST
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- America's 2016 presidential candidates are split on promoting regime change in the Middle East, but not along the usual party lines.

    GOP contenders Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are finding common cause with Democrats Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley in suggesting it's better to keep authoritarian leaders — including Syria's Bashar Assad — in power as a bulwark against extremism. Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton is aligned with Republican contenders Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush and Chris Christie in casting Assad's ouster as key to defeating the Islamic State.

    The divide reflects a nation still grappling with its role in the world after President George W. Bush's eight years in office, when regime change was at the center of U.S. foreign policy, and trying to decide how best to combat the rising threat posed by IS. The twisted alliances among the candidates raise the prospect of a political role-reversal in the general election, in which the Democratic nominee could be more hawkish than the Republican.

    Cruz is among the most vocal in challenging the idea that the U.S. should depose dictators — or support others' efforts to do so — to fight extremists in the Muslim world.

    "We need to learn from history," Cruz said in last week's Republican debate. "Obama, Clinton and far too many Republicans want to topple Assad." The Syrian president is a "bad man," he added, but so too was Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, whom the U.S. helped overthrow in 2011. And Cruz noted that Gadhafi and former Egyptian strongman Hosni Mubarak assisted the U.S. "in fighting terrorists."

    Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, echoed that sentiment in Saturday's Democratic debate, saying it is "relatively easy for a powerful nation like America to overthrow a dictator." What is very hard, he said, is "to predict the unintended consequences and the turmoil and the instability that follows after you overthrow that dictator."

    Much of the campaign discussion centers on Assad, who has presided over a nearly five-year civil war that's left at least 250,000 thousand people dead, spurred the worst refugee crisis in Europe since World War II and created a vacuum allowing Islamic State militants to seize territory throughout Syria and neighboring Iraq.

    To some candidates in both parties, those are reasons enough to help groups on the ground in Syria remove the country's embattled leader from power.

    Rubio, in an interview with CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, said the argument that the U.S. has no vested interest in Assad is wrong.

    "Why are there hundreds of thousands of refugees destabilizing Europe, tens of thousands trying to come to America?" asked Rubio, a Florida senator.

    He also defends the bombing campaign, authorized by President Barack Obama, which enabled Libyan rebel forces to oust Gadhafi. Clinton, Obama's secretary of state at the time, was a leading proponent of the effort.

    "If we had not joined with our European partners and our Arab partners to assist the people in Libya, you would be looking at Syria," Clinton said over the weekend, glossing over the North African country's own, volatile post-war reality replete with attacks and assassinations, rival militias competing for power and its own expanding IS threat.

    Given Syria's current state, Clinton said the U.S. can't simply choose between defeating IS or Assad.

    "The reason we are in the mess we're in, that ISIS has the territory it has, is because of Assad," said Clinton, using an acronym for the Islamic State.

    The debate underscores how far the United States has moved since the Bush administration blended the promotion of American-style democracy with military campaigns, starting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many in the Middle East viewed the post-9/11 effort with animosity; after thousands of U.S. lives and hundreds of billions of dollars lost, most Americans eventually rejected it.

    Obama has fulfilled a promise to not use large-scale ground operations to seek regime change. While he has called for autocrats to leave power in Egypt, Libya and Syria, his interventions in each case were limited.

    Egypt's Mubarak was pushed from power at the height of the 2011 Arab Spring movement, which saw pro-democracy protests sprout throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Obama's public pressure on Mubarak built momentum for his departure, but the U.S. wasn't directly involved in orchestrating his exit.

    In Libya, however, Obama joined NATO and Arab allies in a campaign that gave rebels cover to fight Gadhafi's forces, ultimately leading to his killing.

    The U.S. initially cast Libya as a victory for democracy. Its troubles since contributed to Obama's aversion to taking similarly aggressive action against Assad, whom the U.S. leader first called on to leave in August 2011.

    Instead, Obama has pursued diplomacy. Previous rounds have gone nowhere, though last week's U.N. Security Council resolution setting up talks between Assad's government and the opposition offered some new hope.

    "When you have an authoritarian leader that is killing hundreds of thousands of his own people, the notion that we would just stand by and say nothing is contrary to who we are," Obama said last week.

    But when asked whether Assad might still be in office when Obama leaves the White House in January 2017, the U.S. president sidestepped the question.

    (KA)"

    #2
    ISIS is where they are because Bush knocked out Sadam... and then OBAMA did not finish the job to rebuild and defend against ISIS... which caused ISIS to spread all over the Middle East... Local nation states... have an obligation to settle this... not the US. Russia has a much greater case to be involved.

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      #3
      ISIS is what happens when govts attempt to manipulate oil and gas markets. It's just a vicious stupid circle of intervention and unintended consequences. But the Bush family/Cheney has a shitload to do with it. This Syria bout has nothing to do with how Assad treats his people and everything to do with his agreeing to help Russia pipe natty into Europe. We are gonna end up in a real war before long, there's way too many social programs around the world funded by energy and people get pissy when they don't get their handouts. At least if Trump gets in he can't be bought by Halliburton and that scares the shit out of the establishment.

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        #4
        Trump is the complete IDIOT for you slobbering idiots who think he is wonderful.
        Bullies loving another bully, for that is what he is...and a freakin' retard as well.
        Buuuuut...if Tom4CWB likes him then he must be okay...right?......WRONG! Tom has lost his way and its not the first time.

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          #5
          Wilagro

          I didn't think trump would get this far either. But others are picking parts of his speeches.

          But who would have thunk trudeau would get in?

          Harper and the corporate elite in canada told anyone 45 years and younger they were not ready. But they were ready for a mortgage, kids etc. They were also ready for boatloads (pun intended)of debt by previous generations.

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            #6
            Wilagro
            You and Bill Clinton deserve each other... two cut from the same cloth.

            Glad you let us know how smart you are... Willy and Hillary...will take over the Middle East... do multiple Regime changes... and save the world from recession by pumping up the US Military Complex...

            Can't wait to see how this turns out!

            Glad you sold your hay... enjoy all that cash from your one horse slay...!

            Merry Christmas... hope you feel less grumpy in 2016!

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              #7
              Why was regime change under Bush ok even though it destabilized the whole area?

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                #8
                Bucket,

                Trump... was against the Bush invasion... if you checked into his position... Trump told Bush so before Bush invaded Iraq... both Trump, Carson, and Cruz I believe.

                Funny how that works... Democrats want to blow up the world... while antiestablishment GOP rep. are against foreign interventions.

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                  #9
                  How can Trump possibly be making USA safer by getting the rest of the world to hate them even more??? This all just a big script for a real bad movie.

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                    #10
                    Newguy,

                    It sure is entertaining to watch though!

                    Trumps main objective!

                    Kind of fun too!!! on a cold winter night!

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                      #11
                      Tom4G3 , how Short is your memory??
                      If your buddy Stephen would have been pm
                      Canada would have been in Iraq !!

                      The Fool stood in parliament Demanding that we go in with Bush

                      Thank God he was in opposition and not leading the country

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                        #12
                        M

                        As if what Canada..

                        So....have some PMJustin/Christmas cheer ... we can join in with the Columbia Climate Change French Quebec in a Bombardier...C class to...2016!

                        I do love El Nino... could get used to this... Thanks PM Justin and Premier Notley... nice rabbit to pull out of your hats!!!

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                          #13
                          I was standing in an grain elevator and Herman son was talking about Canada has to go along with the USA and go to Iraq.Otherwise if we do not it will effect our trade with the USA.Chretian saved Canada a lot of grief by not joining their banking and in war.

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