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    GMO Agronomics

    Hi Guys,
    I've been away for awhile, some interesting stuff lately. I'm struggling with all of this GMO talk lately and am looking for some good comments to help me around this issue. First off, with Round-up ready Canola, we've been told that a lot of premium markets have been lost. That brings me to my concern over my bread and butter - red spring wheat. I read that 70% of our customers will give us the golden kiss-off if we try to peddle this stuff. Politics out of it, the customer is always right. It doesn't matter why they presume they are right, they are right, and they'll prove it with their dollars. On wheat, the US has said no way, but here in Canada, Monsanto is proceding with registration, I think in a less than up-front way. Here is my dilemna, the Western Barely Growers say that we should not concern ourselves with customer preferences, we should only consider the agronomic benefits, ie. Round-up kills everything. They say that this is good agronomic management, resulting in lower use of tillage and herbicides. But, watching a neighbor doing all of this with canola, I am starting to wonder. Is this better agronomics in the long run? He is trying to cash in on canola returns by seeding and re-seeding canola every year. He had a runaway weed problem, but round up ready canola cleaned that up (kind of like a nuclear response, isn't it). Now, he doesn't worry about rotational management, because he can 'nuke' his problem. In the old days, we used variations of chemical application and crop rotation to, I suppose, confuse weeds, and keep them at bay. But now, we can 'nuke' them. But, this past year, my neighbor had a new problem - a weed he couldn't kill that used to be a crop. So, my question is, are we creating a problem by relying so much on one chemical for all of our weed control, and is round-up ready grains a solution to agronomic problems or a quick fix to band-aid over poor management practices? I am still bothered by the fact that after 10 years or GMO research, the only outcome has been products that are glyphosphate resistent (Monsanto) when we were promised all kinds of heroic things that would cure everything from acne to cancer. If I were to choose to grow a round-up ready wheat when it became available, I want to be 100% sure that it is not only the correct management decision, but also, in the very long term, the correct moral decision. Any body interested in passing on their ideas?
    Rockpile

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    Rockpile;

    You are sure right about the back door registration process... Private yield trials.. and such.

    One would wonder how Monsanto could spend all this money on getting this GMO wheat seed all ready to go... and then just drop it at the last second...

    This is an extremely political situation... and Monsanto may even be ok on the purely scientific side... however..

    THe customer we sell to is always our prime concern... Canola has seemed to work through... not too bad... the oil does not carry the GMO gene... so it is obviously different than wheat.

    On the Agronomic side... you are right about the Monsanto GMOweeds...

    Monsanto promised a new product with new chemistry to take care of the resistant weed problem... I am sure not happy if it is just a mix of MCPA and Roundup... we were promised much more..

    The big problem here is that Ag Canada is the brain child of the Roundup Ready gene in the first place... Monsanto commercialised it.

    SO our CDN regulatory system is being adjusted for this technology... just like the Varietial Declaration System the CGC is pushing, this is obviously for the GMO wheat...

    I say this because there are many admixes in wheat that are much more toxic than unregistered CWRS wheat... in normal CWRS wheat...(e.g. wheat with seed treatments) and we do not have to swear declarations before delivering wheat that could be a real health and saftey issue...

    To say that we are being railroaded is an understatement... it is being done behind our backs by our CDN gov. on top of everything.

    I cannot believe Monsanto would spend all this time and money on GMO wheat...

    without some promise from CDN gov. people... that they will be allowed to proceed with the release of GMO wheat in Canada!

    THis is surely not an anti-Monsanto message... it is a message that our CDN government is mis directed, and dis-honest... and responsible for Monsanto investing millions in a technology... that is better left on the shelf for the moment.. at the very least!

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      #3
      rockpile, TOM4CWB, I share your concerns about GMO grains and oilseeds. We are being pushed around on this one, either by big business, government or both. While Roundup is a good tool, we shouldn't continually be drenching plants with it. Heaven forbid if Quackgrass ever becomes resistant to the stuff, if or when that happens, we've taken a giant leap backwards for mankind!

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        #4
        I would like to see all the checkoff dollars going towards developing a perennial wheat....plant it every 8 or so years like alfalfa. No constant cultivation or spraying....saving production money for farmers, environmentally sound, and a dream for our climate. This wheat would not be RoundupReady.

        Parsley

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          #5
          Parsley;

          If we could get nitrogen fixing capabilities like alfalfa... it would be even better!

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            #6
            Hi fellas,and gals, first of all I think your description of Western Barley Growers as Barely Growers is quite apt. I was thinking maybe Western Barley Feeders? Anyway the fact is there isn't now and won't be in the foreseeable future a GMO malting barley, ironic but true that the other major multinationals have spoken loud and clear, same as flax, mustard, lentils, etc. that are near and dear to the end user. THE CUSTOMER RECOGNIZES THE FACT THAT THEY PUT THIS MARGINALLY ALTERED FOOD PRODUCT IN THEIR MOUTHS. They have said keep it to hell away from us. They are only now starting to realize that GMO wheat in malt as an off type would possibly put them at risk of rejection. Go online and see in Europe what Cargill guarantees their end users of Europes finest farm products. They boast that every step from field selection to planting seed is monitored and every move of the grain is sampled and signed off FOR POSSIBLE GMO contamination. I ask you as a self- proclaimed chemical adherent and generous advocate for modern farming. DO WE NEED THIS MAKE WORK AND POVERTY PROCESS.

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              #7
              Interesting responses.
              Tom 4, you are right on, the CDN govt really did drop the ball on this one. My impression is that Canada is the only export grain producing area in the world that employs this research. Our farms are the lab and Canadians are the lab rats. Monsanto is not guiltless in this either, considering their financial status. With the kind of patent controls they have in the market place, how could they possibly be losing a fortune? A word of caution, desparate circumstances trigger desparate actions. Where the hell are our elected officials on this one? Oh, never mind, what was I thinking?
              Rockpile

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                #8
                rockpile, Be careful, remember the free market place and private sector are our friends, they wouldn't do anything to ruin us, while making a whole pile of money in the process. Regulation is a bad thing, it gives customers rights, which cannot be tolerated in a free and pluralistic society!

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                  #9
                  Gents I believe there finally is some work being done in perennial wheat, and if memory serves right it is being done at Ag crop development in Quebec and possibly Guelph Ont. Years ago I had asked our shiny faced Ag grads in Saskatoon to consider it. They quickly told me that it was prone to foliage versus seed production, and would only yield maybe 15-20 bu per acre. Hmm lets see, seed it once, harvest it continually, spread a little fert/manure on top, no erosion (wind/water), aerate every 5-6 years, net return to machinery companies (poor) seed companies (poor)- myself about the same or better. Yes they must be right it will never work. They could gmo a little Green Foxtail in it and the grass hoppers might even leave it alone. But I digress here.

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                    #10
                    boone,

                    Isn't this a viable option for the committees who serve on Varietal Selection with farmers' checkoff money?

                    If farmers don't push it, I agree boone, that seed and fertilizer companies have no interest in going down this path!

                    Parsley

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