Radical US ranchers

[grassfarmer]

The other side I'm aware of is Bundy's originally took Government $ to reduce stocking rates. Years later they were chased up for never having reduced stock numbers despite cashing the cheques. Eventually came to a head when the BLM did a round up on their place and a militia turned up.

This other crew have been posting videos for years accusing the BLM of burning Frenchglen etc etc yet they themselves were the ones found guilty in court of starting fires. Now a militia are congregating again.

Glad I don't live near either family, or in the US period. Too many heavily armed wierdos with a chip on their shoulder looking for a chance to fire off some rounds.

[malleefarmer]

hmm im none the wiser guess I will lean grassfarmers way.
And seemingly hammonds have admitted guilt.

[TOM4CWB]

Mallee,

Here is the DTN story on the situation... hope it helps! Happy New Year!!!

NEWS
Militia Occupies US Building in Oregon
Sun Jan 3, 2016 10:49 AM CST
BURNS, Ore. (AP) -- A family previously involved in a showdown with the federal government has occupied a building at a national wildlife refuge in Oregon and is asking militia members to join them.

Ammon Bundy -- the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a standoff with the government over grazing rights -- told The Oregonian on Saturday that he and two of his brothers were among a group of dozens of people occupying the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

The protest began as a rally in support of Oregon ranchers facing jail time for arson.

Ammon Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page asking for militia members to come help him. He said "this is not a time to stand down. It's a time to stand up and come to Harney County," where Burns is located. Below the video is this statement: "(asterisk)(asterisk)ALL PATRIOTS ITS TIME TO STAND UP NOT STAND DOWN!!! WE NEED YOUR HELP!!! COME PREPARED."

In an interview with reporters late Saturday night that was posted on Facebook, Bundy said he and others are occupying the building because "the people have been abused long enough."

"I feel we are in a situation where if we do not do something, if we do not take a hard stand, we'll be in a position where we'll be no longer able to do so," he said.

Bundy said the group planned to stay at the refuge indefinitely. "We're planning on staying here for years, absolutely," Ammon Bundy said. "This is not a decision we've made at the last minute."

Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward told people to stay away from the building as authorities work to defuse the situation, the Oregonian reported (http://is.gd/…).

"A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area. More information will be provided as it becomes available. Please maintain a peaceful and united front and allow us to work through this situation," Ward said in a statement.

An Idaho militia leader who helped organize the earlier march said he knew nothing about activities after a parade of militia members and local residents in Burns walked past the sheriff's office and the home of Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son Steven.

Ammon Bundy's father, Cliven Bundy, told Oregon Public Broadcasting on Saturday night that he had nothing to do with the takeover of the building.

Bundy said his son felt obligated to intervene on behalf of the Hammonds.

"That's not exactly what I thought should happen, but I didn't know what to do," he said. "You know, if the Hammonds wouldn't stand, if the sheriff didn't stand, then, you know, the people had to do something. And I guess this is what they did decide to do. I wasn't in on that."

His son Ammon told him they are committed to staying in the building, Cliven Bundy told Oregon Public Broadcasting.

"He told me that they were there for the long run. I guess they figured they're going to be there for whatever time it takes_and I don't know what that means," Cliven Bundy said. "I asked him, 'Well how long can ya, how long you going to stand out there?' He just told me it was for long term."

Beth Anne Steele, an FBI spokeswoman in Portland, told The Associated Press the agency was aware of the situation at the national wildlife refuge. She made no further comment.

Some local residents feared the Saturday rally would involve more than speeches, flags and marching. But the only real additions to that list seemed to be songs, flowers and pennies.

As marchers reached the courthouse, they tossed hundreds of pennies at the locked door. Their message: civilians were buying back their government. After the march passed, two girls swooped in to scavenge the pennies.

A few blocks away, Hammond and his wife, Susan, greeted marchers, who planted flower bouquets in the snow. They sang some songs, Hammond said a few words, and the protesters marched back to their cars.

Dwight Hammond has said he and his son plan to peacefully report to prison Jan. 4 as ordered by the judge.

Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.

The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time --- the father three months, the son one year. But a judge ruled their terms were too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each.

The decision has generated controversy in a remote part of the state.

In particular, the Hammonds' new sentences touched a nerve with far right groups who repudiate federal authority.

Ammon Bundy and a handful of militiamen from other states arrived last month in Burns, some 60 miles from the Hammond ranch.

In an email to supporters, Ammon Bundy criticized the U.S. government for a failed legal process.

(KA)

[burnt]

Trying to be patient with you once again, grassfarmer, however you bring nothing but speculation and untruths.

If you would have researched the stories from their beginnings of many years ago or even read the above articles in their entirety you might have come off looking a bit less uninformed and foolish.

It is quite likely either family would tolerate you as their neighbor in spite of your stated bigotry.

But they would always be wondering when the real Lord Sempill might show up...

[TOM4CWB]

Very Interesting,,,

"Dwight Hammond has said he and his son plan to peacefully report to prison Jan. 4 as ordered by the judge.

Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.

The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time --- the father three months, the son one year. But a judge ruled their terms were too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each."

So... 50 years ago.. what was a good ranching standard... to properly look after cattle range land.... gets rancher 5 years in prison.

All you 'burners' out there... had better note what is the new standard is...

[burnt]

Here is an interesting question posed by a poet many years ago -

"If you call 'the people's violent act against the government' a rebellion 'what do you call the government's violent act against the people?'"

The continuing expansion of federal government land holdings onto privately held property is nothing other than a violation of their constitutional rights.

[TOM4CWB]

Burnt...

As you well know... we have No 'rights' only privileges...

Interesting times... Robert Downy Jr. gets pardoned in California by the Governor...

[burnt]

Oh, sorry Tom.

I thought it was called the 'Charter of RIGHTS and Freedoms'.

Silly me. I won't make that mistake again...

[burnt]

More information for you malleefarmer -

http://www.thefencepost.com/news/18847695-113/two-members-of-oregons-hammond-family-to-serve

Short version - a 74 year-old man and his son are re-sentenced to completing 5 years in prison for 'arson' when a legal burn that they started to clear invasive species from their land spread over a fence and burned 127 acres of federal grass land.

Never mind that over the recent years, thousands of acres of private land have been burned by federal employees' fires - without any repercussions against those who started them.

Also, they were charged with another count(s) of arson for starting a backfire on their own land when lightening strikes started massive fires on neighboring federal land. The backfire saved much of their feed and buildings.

The federal government is calling them 'arsonists' and 'terrorists'.

What this demonstrates is the determined spread of Marxist, totalitarian government oppression.

But some people feel secure with this rapacious mindset that completely disregards the inherent dignity of a human being.

This egregious violation of their human rights is made palatable to the uninformed, gullible public by the application of such labels as 'terrorist' or 'arsonist'.

Or they at least feel secure in this nanny state until it is their own rights that are trampled underfoot.

[dmlfarmer]

Mallee: Burnt has provided links to one side of the story. Here are some links to the other side of the story. It is far different than Burnt's version of legal burning.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/01/dwight-steven-hammond-oregon-ranchers-protest-prison-arson-fire-land-charges-sentences-age-bundy-armed-militia-judge-photos-family/

http://katu.com/news/local/criminal-history-of-the-hammond-familys-arson-conviction

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/03/461831737/of-ranchers-and-rancor-the-roots-of-the-armed-occupation-in-oregon

I am not sure which is right but if your own relatives testify against you in court that you committed arson on federal lands to cover up another crime I am not sure that I buy the story it was a legal burning of weeds.

[grassfarmer]

#YallQaeda #YeeHawd

[Braveheart]

To Forrest Gumpify the situation, and it applies to both gov't and ranchers, radical is as radical does.