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    #31
    There is no doubt this land grab by the US Feds has some conspiracy behind it. Be it oil, rare earth minerals, defence or water, there will be an ulterior motive.

    One has to admire any people (like those standing with the Hammonds) who will risk their own future and freedom to stand for what they believe is right.

    I remember from the Wheat Board Wars that our Charter of Rights and Freedoms really didn't protect much in the way of rights and freedoms.

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      #32
      Agree on the land grab .
      Between big business , investment groups and government they are trying desperately behind the scenes to pull land from the farm families . Been going on since the land was first settled.
      People in power hate to see the average Joe own valuable assets .

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        #33
        Hopefully not, but i think the hammond and bundys are going to be hung out to dry.It looks like any group who can gain positive exposure from this is gonna throw them under the bus. Now where is it said again?, wrong will be right and right will be wrong.

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          #34
          Numerous revolutions started because the peasants had no access to land because rich wealthy landowners owned it all. The biggest threat is a repeat of the wealthy owning all the land. If the free market was to replace our regulated ownership you would have lots of American, Saudi and Chinese owners as neighbours. Libertarians would argue in favour of deregulation. Most of you are in favour of less regulations except when you have to compete for land with wealthy foreigners.

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            #35
            Another point of interest in this situation is presented in the person who appealed the original sentence - Oregon U.S. Attorney Amanda Marshall, a Barak Hussein Obama appointee (which matter has its own set of interesting circumstances).

            Marshall's colorful journey to this position was immensely surprising to many, if not most, who worked in the circles of Oregon justice.

            Very briefly, she was predominantly raised by her "free-spirited" mother who is described by her daughters as "a granola girl" and "eccentric". She was also known by her peers as a person of dogged persistence in her pursuit of her goals and a champion of justice.

            So it came as a bit of a surprise when she resigned from her very prestigious position last April shortly after coming under investigation for stalking one of her subordinates - Assistant U.S. Attorney Scott M. Kerin.

            Strangely, Marshall responded to press inquires by making it appear that it was Kerin who was the target of the investigation. Not so, according to court documents...

            Marshall wanted the Hammonds to go back to prison for a conviction that did not sit well with the original Judge in the case, U.S. District Judge Michael Hogan.

            However, in a remarkable deviation from her usual drive to put criminals behind bars for as long as possible, Marshall was very relieved, several years ago, when her sister was merely sentenced to probation for the criminal charges with which she was convicted.

            Who said that Justice is Blind?

            Strange, isn't it.

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              #36
              The story as told by someone quite familiar with it -

              http://www.rangemagazine.com/features/fall-15/range-hammond-sp13-enemies_of_the_state.pdf

              Wow.

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                #37
                Caught a NPR radio show on the issue:
                What is making many ranchers very upset... is the Feds implemented Double Jeopardy

                The Hammonds served the first sentences of 3 months and 1 year respectively... then according to PBR I listened to on satellite... The feds recharged them with extended sentences from Terrorist legislation that came out of the Oklahoma City Bombing.

                The US Feds are after the Hammond ranch... and want to take it away to add to the 200,000ac reserve they now control. Hammonds actually helped set up the nature preserve... in the 70's and 80's... according to the radio report... which was over an hour long.

                One of the children are reported as testifying the Grandpa said throw matches out and burn it... which got the Hammond Dad and Son the arson charges in the first place.

                The Bundies [from Nevada] are upset because of the apparent federal 'double jeopardy' convictions... and felt this latest take over of the empty fed buildings 30 miles from town... was the best option left to expose the Feds for sinister convictions of the Hammonds... according to a number interviewed... on PBR... all of whom all wanted no violence.

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                  #38
                  This is not a case of double jeopardy. There was no second trial for the same crime. The government appealed the original sentence and that appeal was upheld by the 9th circuit court. The Hammonds petitioned the US Supreme Court to on the legality of the government's appeal on two grounds.

                  The complete court transcript of the presentencing portion of the trial including statements by both the government and the defence as well as the decision by the judge can be found at http://landrights.org/or/Hammond/Transcript%20of%20Judges%20ruling.pdf

                  and the Hammonds petition to the Supreme Court can be read at:
                  http://landrights.org/or/Hammond/Hammond-v-United-States-Oregon-Petition-for-Writ-of-Certiorari-Filed-June-17-2013.pdf

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                    #39
                    dml

                    The first judge that sentenced the two ... disagrees with you.

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                      #40
                      It appears that some believe that a court of law is above reproach in its decision-making process.

                      There have been quite a few people who would have vehemently disagreed before they got rope burn on their necks...

                      I provided just a snippet of the story of those involved in getting the Hammonds' sentencing revisited - and there is much, much more to the story.

                      It appears that there are cases where the whole process has devolved into one stinking, incestuous mess of favor-trading.

                      What are the chances of the Hammonds success in their appeal to Barack Hussein Obama for clemency since he appointed the "Justice" who was instrumental in their return to prison?

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