How U.S. gun ownership became a ‘right,’ and why it isn’t

[Braveheart]

I think Colonel Sanders had a better handle inthe American psyche re gun culture than Chuck Saunders. The statement that guns rights movement grew out of the anti government movement of the 60's paid no attention to the old west, rural America vs urban, military service, AIM, or anything else from Euro American settlement in relation to guns.

Anti government sentiment in the 60's? I remember Kent State. The students didn't have guns. I doubt there was one gun in the Haight Ashbury district in San Francisco.

Saunders is really reaching, in fact inventing events to satisfy his obviously urbanized liberal life.

[Braveheart]

I know lots of people in favour of concealed carry in Canada. Only a small percentage of those could deploy and use a concealed weapon safely and effectively though. It takes a special skillset, mindset really to shoot someone, even in self defence.

I'm not in favour. When I travel in the US I'm uncomfortable around people "going strapped", and I'm used to every type of gun there is.

[foragefarmer]

Braveheart

I have never had a conversation with any of my family members and friends, and my wive's family members who are also farmers and hunters, and not once has the conversation come up about carry a concealed gun. In fact we all agree that Americans have lost all control of their gun situation, and we don't want that happening here in Canada.

Your point that most won't know how to use it is very valid, and would be a major concern.



Burnt

For the simple reason is hands guns are strictly deigned to kill people. Putting more guns in the hands of more people, whether they are law abiding or not will result in more killings. Besides I just don't see how it would benefit the over all safety within Canada.

[burnt]

Just to be clear, I am not a proponent of carrying handguns.

Foragefarmer,

There are laws against killing people and it doesn't seem to have ended such behavior.

The comment was made recently that if tighter gun control laws save just one life, it is worth it.

Here is another scenario - according to StatsCan, there are almost 10 times as many deaths caused by impaired driving than by guns homicides.

Are you therefore in favor of banning the consumption of alcohol? Where is your outrage?

Progressive reasoning: if a law isn't working, make another tougher one to solve the problem.

[biglentil]

Antis ofted stat gun death stats. What they fail to mention is the vast majority of those are suicides. The stats that do not exist are lives saved, robberies that did not occur, and assaults that did not happen because a firearm or the potential of a firearm diffused the situation before anything ever happened. How many more farmyards would be robbed if criminals knew they were all sitting ducks?

There is peace because a Samarai sleeps next to their sword. In society there are sheep, sheep dogs, and wolves. Its fine to be a sheep chuckchuck and forage but be very thankful we have sheepdogs.

[furrowtickler]

A few weeks ago I had a drunk\stoned first nation trying to break into my house. Had he made the mistake of getting in before the cops arrived ... I am glad I have the right to have a gun or myself and my family would have been in grave danger. He would have not made it the first two feet in my case.
Chucky - what would you say on that?
What happens in the States is their issue, but here in Canada - don't take the guns from the responsible, make crimes with guns far more tougher.
It is a sticky issue for the bleeding hearts but when your family is threatened and the window of safety is only a few minutes... you may change your mind.

[foragefarmer]

Burnt

You stated

"Here is another scenario - according to StatsCan, there are almost 10 times as many deaths caused by impaired driving than by guns homicides. "

Put more guns in the hands Canadians and we'll see how long that stat stays that way. To be honest we are just going around in circles as there really is no issue amongst Canadians to carry concealed guns, yourself and Braveheart both stated your against it.

Just wondering why your so concerned about what's taking place in the USA regarding the gun issue and the Hammonds and Bundies? You seem to be trying to spin both these American problems into a Canadian issues.



Biglentil

Do you not think your sheepdog analogy has more to do with population distribution within Canada rather than farmers in the boonies sleeping with their hunting rifles Come on you can do better than that !!!!

[Hamloc]

In Canada we have had strict control of handguns since 1934. At present you cannot legally transport a handgun unless you are going to a registered shooting range and yet most gun violence involves handguns. If gun control was so effective wouldn't gun violence be eliminated in respect to handguns?

[burnt]

Okay, foragefarmer, let me ask it another way - since our gun control laws are so effective at preventing US-like homicide rates, are you in favor of banning alcohol sales to the general public in order to eliminate deaths caused by impaired driving?

Please keep in mind that Stats Can shows that deaths caused by impaired driving are 10x higher than gun-related deaths in Canada.

Just answer the question and don't bother with the diversion tactics again.

[foragefarmer]

Burnt

No they should not ban alcohol sales in Canada. In my opinion your causing the deversion, you keep throwing impaired driving into the conversation, next you'll say kitchen knives should be ban to reduce stabbings. I answered to your question about why concealed hand guns need not be carried in Canada, and your of the same opinion.

So again why do you keep bringing up American problems, gun control and the Bundy and Hammond issues and spinning them into Canadian issues.

Burnt, it's time for you to answer some questions