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Koch Brothers' Refinery \"Pays\" -$0.50 For North Dakota Crude

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    Koch Brothers' Refinery \"Pays\" -$0.50 For North Dakota Crude

    North Dakota Sour is a high-sulfur grade of crude and “is a small portion of the state’s production, with less than 15,000 barrels a day coming out of the ground,” Bloomberg notes, citing John Auers, executive vice president at Turner Mason & Co. in Dallas. “The output has been dwarfed by low-sulfur crude from the Bakken shale formation in the western part of the state, which has grown to 1.1 million barrels a day in the past 10 years.”

    High-sulfur grades are more expensive to refine and thus fetch lower prices at market. As Bloomberg goes on to note, “Enbridge stopped allowing high-sulfur crudes on its pipeline out of North Dakota in 2011, forcing North Dakota Sour producers to rely on more expensive transport such as trucks and trains [and] the price for Canadian bitumen -- the thick, sticky substance at the center of the heated debate over TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL pipeline -- fell to $8.35 last week, down from as much as $80 less than two years ago.”

    Wow is all I have to say.

    This oil thing is getting real interesting every day!

    #2
    Coop was a bunch of farmers who needed reliable cheap fuel!
    Those guys should of still owned it instead of becoming a coop!

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      #3
      Alberta Government is building a refinery in Redwater AB right now. It will be by far the most expensive refinery in the world per barrel of capacity. It was guaranteed to lose the tax payer millions of dollars but now may actually be viable given that the feed stock is now free.

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        #4
        I doubt federated is paying more than Koch.

        So federated gets heavy oil for nothing and sells gas for 90 cents a liter.

        Pretty nice margin there.

        Real payback for the taxpayer that paid for most of it.

        Or for the members that do business with the local coops.

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          #5
          Bucket, I thought the Co-op refinery has been a huge asset for
          western Canada. No?

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            #6
            Bucket, I call your bluff!

            Gasoline in Alberta 69/l... from the Regina Refinery... is 65.9/l
            Regina Messenger
            1609 Halifax St & S Railway St
            Regina - Central
            6m ago
            Digdog

            Costco is 67

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              #7
              BTW

              Converted Regina gas is 1.72US$ USgal.

              Minot ND
              1.76
              Racers
              1500 37th Ave SW & 16th Ave SE
              Minot
              1h ago
              BigJoe928

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                #8
                At the coop locally it's 88 cents the other day on the sign.


                Farm diesel was quoted 68 cents plus tax.

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                  #9
                  An empty barrel costs more then the crude.

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                    #10
                    well the ave price in Oklahoma is $1.54 /us gal (converts to $.59 /liter cad) ave price in alta is $. 77 cad / liter . these are two places where gas comes from. one in the usa and one in Canada ? am I missing something ?

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                      #11
                      Alta .77/ litre X 205/barrel=$180 for crude costing?$28 and that dont count the pharmacuticals,oil,greese.chemicals.plastics. Its like farming you need to be the end manufacturer not the base producer.
                      As for the oil worker boo hoo they have been raping the goose that laid the golden egg so long I guess she got tired and filed for a devorce from an abbusive relationship.

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                        #12
                        Alta .77/ litre X 205/barrel=$180 for crude costing?$28 and that dont count the pharmacuticals,oil,greese.chemicals.plastics. Its like farming you need to be the end manufacturer not the base producer.
                        As for the oil worker boo hoo they have been raping the goose that laid the golden egg so long I guess she got tired and filed for a devorce from an abbusive relationship.

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                          #13
                          So the coop equity cheques should be "uuuuge" this year?

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                            #14
                            You need to back out all the US taxes and then add the Canadian taxes to get to a comparable price...

                            $1.54/gallon - $0.16/gal state - $0.184/gal Fed = $1.196/gal/3.78L/gal =$0.3164/L x 1.46CAD$/US$ = $0.4619/L $0.10/L FET $0.15/L Prov Tax = $0.7119 * 5% GST = $0.7475 CAD/L

                            Seems awfully close to what some Western Canadian markets are charging...maybe even lower if you use Tom's numbers from Regina...

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                              #15
                              You need to back out all the US taxes and then add the Canadian taxes to get to a comparable price...

                              $1.54/gallon - $0.16/gal state - $0.184/gal Fed = $1.196/gal/3.78L/gal =$0.3164/L x 1.46CAD$/US$ = $0.4619/L $0.10/L FET $0.15/L Prov Tax = $0.7119 * 5% GST = $0.7475 CAD/L

                              Seems awfully close to what some Western Canadian markets are charging...maybe even lower if you use Tom's numbers from Regina...

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