Alberta Farmers offended by CWB...

[JACKFLASH]

Henbent: all them good old mob boys wrote you off with alot more diplomacy then I would allow time or pretty words for.
Are you left handed as well because your brain is sure leaning left. Oh no there I go again making unfounded assumptions of my fellow farmer.

[henbent]

kernel, The law of the jungle has to apply, is that correct? Will we have an orderly marketing system, designed and run by grain companies, railroads, and local Co-0ps? BE CAREFUL what you ask for, you just might get it! Believe it or not at one time, as a young man I leaned far to the right, believed in capital punishment, conservative politics skrip and save, Alberta has the best education system in the world. But as I aged,travelled, lived and worked in other places, like the Left coast it became apparent that AB doesn't have all the answers. I guess I am lucky that our farm is subsidized each month by a fat Gov't pension, I have the freedom to farm. I feel very fortunate not left handed. Who do you think made this possible?

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

I notice you came back from the Left Coast... could it be that it was so expensive to live...

that the prosperity of Alberta looked better than the politics and wild spending of a socialist gov. that made it untolerable for even you to remain?

So why should we commercial grain farmers want the same thing you chose to leave... the left coast... because it was obvious even to you..... that what was happening was not sustainable?

You had the right to come back here... Can you be fair and allow us the privelege to exist without being bled to death too?

[henbent]

TOM4CWB, You know, I find that the whinning and sniveling on this site is somewhat addictive, at least during cold weather. Have you ever lived anywhere, other that AB or taken a vacation, read newspapers and watched others going to work? There are problems everywhere that do not relate to the CWB. It's called seeing the big picture. People are starving in many places on this planet. What will the open market do, to help them? Gov't sponsored foreign aid programs sending Canadian food abroad will help won't it? Your man Manley has suggested more of this will be forthcoming in the near future. This is good news for the farm. Will the CWB assist in this commitment? Would such assistance be a good thing, or should the poor be paying the world price? What is their alternative, starving in the cold and dark? That reminds me, I've got to check and see if we can pay our Alta G-s
& Ep--r bills this month! Farmers by and large are good people who accept our social responsibility, we are not mafia, cold hearted types who think only of ourselves and the bottom line. Besides the sell it or smell it principle puts us in the position of price takers not price makers.

[parsley]

"This is good news for the farm" is a typical conclusion I would expect would come from socialist reasoning, henbent.

Look at real facts and dollars!

15% of the world's population has an average per capita income of $21,000.00 henbent. You are part of this group.

85% of the world's average income is $1000.00.

You approve of Manley going to the world's money market to borrow money so that we can support this 85%. You do the math.

We already owe so much we rarely pay down the principal, but you want to borrow more. What happens when interest rates go up and the cost of the loan grows? How can Manley pay? By taxing of course. More income tax, more land tax, more GST, more PST and then how does that affect the farmer?

85% of the world is not our responsibility. We cannot afford this responsibility, henbent. Each of us owes over $60,000.00 in our national and provincial debts. When they are paid, we can look at playing the role of benevolent heroes.

There is an old Swedish saying: Those who give until they beg should be knocked off their legs.

Parsley

[parsley]

Henbent: You know it is interesting how far a part you and I are on politics, economics and the creations of wealth.

You look to socialistic economics and policy. Socialist look to govenment to solve their problems. God didn't draw the line between Sask. & Alta. to very different ways of government did that. Guess where the population is migrating to. People of ambition move to areas of political freedom because opportunities are limited only to ones imagation and governments play a very small role in the over all picture. Free markets encourage people to become inventive and more productive thus the creation of wealth. (Ex. if nat. gas becomes to expense you find ways of conserving or bring new technology to the for front.) Most new technology was made possible through necessity not government rebates and subsidies.

Most foreign aid should be done in such a manner as to create commerce not welfare. But first the government of most of these countries should be removed and replaced by one that encourages and gives people the freedom to accept the responsible of their own good being. If the political atmosphere is for free enterprise, oppertunities will abound.

Don't place everyone in the position of no choices because of government and a public of socialistic thinkers.

[henbent]

kernel, No choices, what do you mean, in democratic nations we go to the polls and vote for those who represent us and our ideas, they inturn legislate the laws and make policy that we and our country abide by. I do not want big business making up law as they go along, nor do I want them restricting my freedom to have choices. Hence I do not consider Monsan-o to be one of my best friends, although at times I've used their products. What do you think all the protests and disruptions have been about the G Summits? Others obviously feel this way too!! I'm no Pinko, but on the other hand I'm not going to sell my soul to the multi-national business interests that promise us the sky and deliver a heck of a lot less. Nettie Weibe, Ralph Gooddale and Art Macklin are examples of persons who have been/are in elected office and are representing us responsibly as we expect and elect them to do. Cyberspace B.-. is just that, B.-. although after the fact solutions are always perfect. How can desperately poor people pay for the food we produce? Answer that and maybe I'll vote for you to represent me in the future kernel!

[boone]

Kernel/parsley and sundry, you know all things seem possible when your blessed with, wealth,and good health. Economics in Alberta seem to reflect this. However I can remember not very long ago oil was $8.00 per barrel the finance minister was having sleepless nights and squeezing the s--t out of education and health, in a effort to balance a very shaky budget. Now because oil dodged a bullet he looked like a genius and was to fire up the printing presses again. I hope you understand that the power of financial inflow can be more significant than the net affect of wealth creation. If ever people stop chasing the mirage and turn their eyes, it ceases to exist. Now I understand Albertas power and economic prowess, but don't over leverage it. If Agriculture ever had to pay for it's real burden enviromentally and economically it may not be able to convince an electorate that it was worth the trouble. There is a reason so many cattle people are moving into Saskatchewan, they know the measure of burden will be assesed and they won't afford the bill. Even Bill Gates knew enough to take money off the table at the height of a bubble. It's called cashing out for a reason. To argue about a right minded government creating more commerce is true. In Vietnam as a closed economy they were just poor rural communists. As the country has opened up for more business, they have brought in a highly developed drug and prostitution commercial entity that befits a capitalist system. As people crowd the cities they learn the value of free enterprise. Noise isn't always progress. Sometimes it's just noise! And as far as the parallel you make between the CWB and a marriage all I can say is NAG! NAG! NAG! Boone

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

Interesting how you totally avoided the question about the CWB... 1993-5 Manitoba fusarium wheat... and why you... Goodale, Weibe and Macklin deserved part of the value of this grain...

Meanwhile the CWB/CGC told these farmers to burn this wheat... cause it was not marketable!

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent: If you vote for the right government they will give you choice. Choice in buying and choice is selling. But when government give you no choice (CWB) then I would sooner have choice of big business to deal with. Having the choice of Monsanto, Dow, Agricore, cargill, swp and others looks better than dealing with someone who has no financial concerns selling my product.

As to foreign aid into countries with corrupt government maybe money should be placed directly into the hands of the people that will create commerce by buying and selling their own food and wares as time goes on.

Boone: you are grasping at straws. The big picture is having the government that allows its people and businesses a political atmosphere that allows them to profit in commerial ventures that provide for economic greatness to happen. Alberta's wealth was not create just because we had oil but how we allowed business to develop it and profit from it. Economies are created mostly by private business and people given the freedom of choice of who you do business with.

I was an establishment flunky for 10 years and believe me when I tell you the most of the protesters that show up at G- Summits are druged out hippies having a bad hair day drawing two to three welfare checks and taking directions from greenpeace. Most don't work for a living and just love socialistic ways of living and smoking pot.

Free enterprise is the only choice for choice. If you like government control go to Iraq. But i hear even the human shields have left because that government was asking to much of them without choice.

[henbent]

kernel, You are one, Redneck Dude who has been confined to the farm to long. Get out for a while man and experience the world. Lighten up a bit, 2 - 3 welfare cheques, pot smoking, bad hair,and now you are about to take on Greenpeace! Wow, this is what a master marketer is made of, I am doomed! The CWB is doomed when guys like you are lined up against them.

[parsley]

Henbent,

The Kernels of the world are the guys who pave the way to provide the kind of world you want by forcing change at the CWB. He can see what is wrong it. After all, even YOU reveal what is wrong with the Board when you tell us:

"I do not want big business making up law as they go along, nor do I want them restricting my freedom to have choices."

The CWB claim they are big corporate business. They make up laws as they go along and they do their utmost to restrict freedom.

Now the rest is up to you to reason it out.

Parsley