Good Varieties Deregistered and Checkoffs

[Ronski]

I've been having a couple beers and thinking (which probably means I'm wrong) but some pretty good varieties are getting deregistered for no good reason. CPS, HRS and Canola.
We all know these varieties were plenty good 3 years ago so what changed?

Also what do our checkoff dollars do for us? The producer groups are supposedly on our side so are they defending these varieties?

I think we should all take our checkoff money back and tell them why. They should be lobbying on our behalf to keep these older varieties, if they really aren't agronomicaly equal we will decide to drop them ourselves.

Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong. But I'm going to look into getting my money refunded monday.

[Tucker]

I really don't post often here but you've motivated me to say:

A-****ING-MEN

I agree. Well put.

[ajl]

You are not wrong. it is all about control of the industry to money in select pockets.

[TOM4CWB]

It takes WORK... to maintain a variety purity... and quality control. If NO ONE is willing to do the work... because NO ONE grows the varieties commercially... so no seed production occurs in the pedigreed system... then they will be deregistered over time. You CAN grow unregistered varieties under contract... to supply end users who want them... this is legal and an option.

[farmaholic]

The last time I delivered grain to the terminal all the different varieties got put in the same bins regardless of variety, unless it was grown for an IP program. So much for the need for variety purity at that level. Hell, it will be easier than ever to mix different classes now without KVD, as long as the end product meets end user specs, we might be surprised what gets blended at the terminal level.

Now we have to variety declarations, stating that we aren't delivering unregistered varieties.

If anyone here thinks the CGC, which is a government department, can't be influenced is dreaming.

Come on guys take the bitter pill, you know full well it will be good for us in the end. It seems grower's responsibility for maintaining Canada's reputation for quality grain is being well defined. What responsibility and penalty is there for the GrainCos to ensure Canada's reputation is maintained? There seems to have been reports from our customers of quality issues....why isn't the CGC doing their job at that end?

[seabass]

I think it is just moving us to the end game of big companies telling us or shud I say forcing us to buy new seed every year. Regardless if it is better or not.

[SASKFARMER3]

Tom that's Bull shit.

This is a way to get us to grow their new stuff every few years. No changes in new stuff just the fact it costs us farmers way more money.

Follow the money.

[bgmb]

I think Tom4SeedCompanyB is a bigger BS'r that Hunter Harrison Himself!

[bucket]

Bgmb

You must not have spell check. The correct spelling is "****er Harrison".

And we all have opinions of tom.

I think you can see the synergies there.

[bgmb]

Point is why is the industry taking away options for farmers? I use all certified hybrid canola seed and will probably continue to do so but it is nice to have the option to try something for 5 bucks an acre instead of 50

[bucket]

Isn't midge tolerant wheat just a combination of two varieties where one acts as the midge host?

Alot of guys seeded canola early and then reseeded at 2 pounds. Either the 2 pounds worked extremely well with later seeding or their crop wasn't frozen as bad as the rep told them.

Not sure about purity thing considering triffid started at the flax breeder stage.

Then there was the employee that got fired for refusing to put in the allowable dockage in the seed bag years ago.

Purity and standards.... really does the industry know the meaning of those words?


Every year I sign a declaration at every elevator and yet not one wants to know the varieties I grow. Seems stupid.

Then there is the probing issue.... a teaspoon out of a Super b. Really?

[SASKFARMER3]

Its rather simple.

If Variety A that you use to grow was available to use your self after its run on growing.
Seed at 6 lbs and spray for flee beetles. Guess what their worried about. Yes you guessed it the old variety will yield within the same or higher than the new ones.

Its all about the money. Nothing else.

Total bull shit.

[bucket]

I sort of thought that was what government was for....to regulate so the obvious bullshit doesn't happen.

Sort of the same shit that all the growing forward 2 money goes toward.

None of it is to help the farmer just the middleman between the farm and the end users.

[hobbyfrmr]

Seabass.... Yes
SF3....yes

10 years ago the organic farmers were voicing their objections to the control of the seed supply. I was thinking they were kooks and fear mongers to encourage their organic agenda.
Here we are today, the seed companies expect a return on investment for developing seed varieties. They are presenting seed with only the best patented technology money can buy, so Canadian farmers can be competitive on the world market. So get your chequebooks out take another snort of the canola cocaine and keep planting. What else are you going to do?
I went to the Crop Production Show, it was obvious, farmers need canola and lentils. That was all they talked about. A little bit of wheat for rotation. Dont forget about the contamination of weeds if you dont spray.
Its not too difficult watching suppliers "work the room". They've got the farmers where they want them, its just a matter of how many inputs they will buy and his much grain they will shove at them after harvest.
I am not saying it wrong, its just an observation.

[bucket]

Hobby

Then get caught by global ag risk solutions rep says they can cover all your extra passes and production risks for x amount of dollars. Privately... but the government can't put together a decent program to compete.

Something isn't right with what I seen at crop production show.

Or maybe it's my age and lack of enthusiasm when I see production strategies similar to 25 years ago being the new and best?