just to piss you off . . . .

[farmaholic]

How do we compete with this?

http://knoema.com/rqaebad/cost-of-producing-a-barrel-of-crude-oil-by-country

This might be a live link:

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[ajl]

Cheap gas is VERY good for those laid off from $40 per hour jobs and replaced them with $20 per hour jobs. $20 per hour in hyper inflationary AB is merely chump change. The whole energy east fiasco demonstrates that Canuckistan is disfunctional and it is all over but the crying. Political leadership needed on the separation front as nothing else will do.

[bucket]

What happens when saudi oil goes back up and the east can't access the western Canadian supply?

Not sure why the taps don't get shut off occasionally to remind people like codderre what's at stake.

Fill the tanks with saudi oil when it's cheap and you can't get alberta oil but why no one wants these pipelines when canada would be self sufficient in oil is beyond me.

Nothing wrong with being able to have constant supply and the ability to say it's too expensive to either supplier.

[FarmRanger]

It's illogical to block the usage of Canadian oil in Canada. The energy east pipeline or the northern gateway were both going to be privately funded.
But we've got a bunch of useful idiots brainwashed into thinking that if we burn foreign oil instead of Canadian oil, that somehow the planet will be better off. Well, kumbaya singing idiots, all you're doing is wrecking your own economy while supporting terrorist sponsoring nations.

Nobody is asking eastern Canadians to pay more, or even subsidize Canadian oil, just stop kneecapping our own industry and let us use more efficient and safe pipelines instead of more costly rail. (I wish we could put wheat through a pipeline and bypass the railroads, but I suppose some whacko group would try to block it even if we could).

[mbratrud]

Won't be delivering to G3 anytime soon. Why line the Saudi's pockets.

[mbratrud]

Sure low oil is great for consumers. So would cheap eggs and milk lets do away with supply management completely!! Would it be good for the economy?

[bucket]

Mbratrud

G3 will do well in moose jaw.

Custom truckers and farmers are sick of the other guys not upgrading their unloading.

I have sat in lines at agpro where 3 lanes were empty.

The other guys have had 2 years to keep their customers and not lose turns at their facilities just by upgrading their pits.

Do the math. G3 is 45000 tonnes. 8 turns a year is 360000 tonnes in a crowded facility area. The production is constant. Who loses their customers?

Sure I don't like the Saudi government owning this entity but I also don't care for driving past a viterra elevator 16 miles away to deliver to one 60 miles furthur with lines on 9 pits.

[foragefarmer]

Hey, it's a free market world, called price discovery. There is always some country wanting to undercut the next regarding any product. I remember all the posters on here wanting marketing freedom from you know who. Now they seem to figure it shouldn't apply to Alberta oil, and that all Canadians should support it.

Yes, it's sad Canadian jobs are being lost and families are suffering, but all sectors have gone through the same thing one time or another, manufacturing, agriculture, fishing, forestry, the list goes on and on. Why should oil be any different. The Canadian oil companies with good balance sheets will survive, and when oil goes back up to $100 a barrel, don't think for a minute they'll be concerned about the price at the pump for the consumer.

[Guest]

what needs to happen is the 4 western oil producers need to tell quebec to f$&k off and tell them there will be no more eq. payments its time to play hardball with these arrogant ignorant assholes

[FarmRanger]

Well forage, price discovery is the best thing about market freedom. We don't have the state trading agency paying whatever they want to us, and being able to offer that same product on the world market for less than what we might have sold it for otherwise. If one of the players tries that same thing now, they don't get our wheat. But this has nothing to do with arbitrarily making Canadian oil worth less to us due to idiotic policies favouring more costly rail transport over pipelines.

[wmoebis]

How do we know what oil companies are asking for oil in Quebec or overseas? Maybe it is cheaper for them to bring in oil from Saudi.
Just like wheat we have no idea of what asking price is only what we are offered.

[foragefarmer]

Farmranger

I'm sure with your marketing skills you always get the top price on your wheat sales, now that you have marketing freedom. Those grain companies that buy from you, never turn any profits on your product, this of coarse is fully disclosed for everybody to see, especially the privately owned ones that put out their annual report.

[FarmRanger]

Sigh...
And I suppose you think they never made profits before the elimination of the middleman single desk buying monopoly either?

Grain companies make money by moving grain to market and oil companies make profits by moving oil to market. The more, the better. Our politicians should be trying to help, rather than hinder Canadian producers, and building pipelines for oil would do just that. Taking oil of the rails would improve the oil industry margins, and allow more rail capacity to be used by farmers, building the economy for all Canadians, including oil producers and farmers.

[wmoebis]

Seems there is so much resistance to pipelines.
Why not twin rail one for oil one for grain. When one not busy they could swap loads. Can't ship grain through pipeline.