50 village idiots

[dalek]

If you were the guy who's done nothing but panic sell at the lows because you can't understand the real world you might want the CWB back... Then again you'd deserve what you get

[LEP]

Willy you make me laugh. For some reason the value I received under the old CWB was pitiful even with the " residual value".

There are only a small number potash marketing entities in the world and even they aren't price setters.

#williesdrinkingthecoolaid

[blackpowder]

Cant argue with bto at all.
But Willy either grew nothing but wheat or grew mostly the other crops that took off out of the board.
Either way, take your gouging by the board after they took their gouging in the world or eliminate one extra gouging.
Your still competing in the world. And bureaucrats can never run a 3 legged race properly.
Honest to Pete, I cant fathom the people who can remember not being allowed to transport ANY grain interprovincially without a _ _ _ permit; looking at the flow of goods today and wanting to go back. Jeezus I just cant under***stand!
Can anybody help me figure out where the hell these people are coming from??
My God how long will this go on???
Do they still want to fine or jail me if I have to go out of province for seed? Do I still have to pay the Commissar so he can distribute it among peasants???
Come on,, explain to me why I have 6 major facilitys within 30 miles of me, 2 built post apocopalypse, the majority grain not HRS wheat????
The world will beg for our HRS?????
Crap!!!
The world trades the cbot but its phony and everyone is being fooled!!!! And yet you put your money in a bank???
Can anyone tell me why this debate is still going on??? Must a socialist/communist mistrust everything to survive, because to recognize any***thing else would be to admit he might just maybe be partly wrong?
Why does your state have to try to make us all completely equal when God cant even do that????
Were you all lawyers in a previous life?? or are you still?
Bet nobody has an answer.

[malleefarmer]

made a single desk comment in malt feed spread thread got that from a buyer in china

[Quadtrack]

Love thy neighbor as yourself
Unless he/she got more for their wheat than your did, then call for the reinstatement of low and equal initial, interim, interim 2, almost final, and finally payment for all. That system seems like a lifetime ago, and no compelling reason to even think it has a place today.
Lots of good comments on this thread.
Fortunately our drama teacher is too busy spending to bother with western Canada let alone 50 fringe thinking western farrmers.

[AllisWD45]

Thank God our drama teacher doesn't care. In the words of his father "why should i sell your wheat"

[bucket]

Naive me thought when the cwb was gone we would have an open transparent market that could bring good threads to this forum.

Not so.

This is not much different than what we had if you looked at it objectively.

What's the difference between an old board contract that only accepted 50 percent ... compared to a new contract with a grainco that puts off delivery for months and in doing so caps the market.

With the crop from 2015, the weather and a working transportation system every elevator should be calling for grain.

The system isn't moving 500000 tonnes a week and people think this is a functioning market?

There is probably 1.5 mmt of boats floating out west waiting for product with terminals with 30 percent or more space.

Now add in the fact Churchills capacity has to be moved to other points and the graincos and railways have another excuse as to why they can't get it moved.

[agstar77]

What did you expect ? The free market only works if there is open competition. There is no competition in transport because of the duopoly of the rails . There is not open competition in the grain marketing and handling because of the barrier of entry. So what's left? Competition among grain growers for inputs. This leads to amalgamation of farm units. The net result will be an ever larger agricultural corporate structure and increased vertical integration.

[jamesb]

Is the post CWB system perfect ? No way!

Do most farmers want to go back to the CWB? No way !
If a group of farmers want to pool their grain, fine by me but count me out. I have and want the right do with my property (grain) as I see fit. Honestly I cant believe we are still having this discussion about the CWB. If changes had been made to improve the CWB 25 years ago, we would still have it. Supply managed commodities are going by the wayside the world over and the CWB is no different.

[stonepicker]

And yet my profit margin on wheat is better now than when we had the --- hmm.

[riders2010]

Neither extremes work. Don't need the old pooling but that system did put constraints on the private grain companies. So basically the side effects of the cwb are what we really lost. Example nearly all terminals bought wheat and now only certain ones do. The wheat board was not transparent in how prices were arrived at but now it's the same thing. Grain co s are writing their own cheques. Smaller farmers will be at a greater disadvantage as this goes forward.

[FarmRanger]

Ironically Agstar has it correct with his statement <i> "There is no competition in transport because of the duopoly of the rails " </i>
A big difference between than and now is that it's not just farmers who must keep their product off the rails. The previous masking of the lack of capacity no longer exists because there is no "orderly marketer" keeping one product (wheat) off the rails so others can ship more.

[bucket]

This highlights that the infrastructure in this country is falling behind.

Everyone including myself say we are in a downturn but what a great time to take advantage of resources to build for the the eventual upturn.

Do we really want 1997 that happened with the cwb in place or 2013 in an open market environment. ... to happen again?

Since the railways are doing pretty good with their arrogant business acumen... maybe a case can be made to start a third railway.

No one wants to tackle open running rights as a more efficient solution.

[wmoebis]

Riders do you think it will get better or worse with the new classes of wheat coming.

Maybe only certain elevators will take certain classes at certain times due to risk of contamination and sales opportunities.

I have seen IP canola tie up elev space for months just to cover contracts and waiting for sales.

[farmaholic]

Has focus truly been lost?

A system initially set up to serve it's customers seems to have forgot.