Alberta #Kudatah

[fjlip]

But has to REALLY hurt the other 40% that don't vote for her. Totally dumb idea, why not a carrot instead of a stick beating consumers into change? If it makes sense, smart people will change. This must not make sense...

[foragefarmer]

Farmranger Hamloc

Alberta had 44 years of PC government and you both have done move complaining in 8 months about the current NDP government than the entire 44 years the PC government was in power. You both seem to have forgotten that many mistakes were made by the PC governments of Alberta prior to the NDP government taking over. Do you not remember Stelmach, Redford and Prentice?

It all boils down to one issue, you can't except that the party you support is no longer in power. That applies federally as well,as many comments made on here resonate from the Harper Con/Reform ideologies.

[grassfarmer]

I guess it's a symptom of having a one-party state for too long. Large segments of the electorate don't seem to have an idea of what democracy is or how it is supposed to work. The losing side trying to overthrow the majority Government duly elected by the people of Alberta. When that crazy plan descends into chaos and ridicule you start talking about removing the right to vote from certain segments of the electorate based on their career choice. What next ? removing the vote from women because you don't think Notley is fit to govern? excluding those with different religious views?
In the same week you complain of alleged threat to the freedom of speech you are advocating taking the vote away from other Albertans?

[Hamloc]

Forage Grassfarmer, I never said anything about removing people's right to vote. Do you believe a carbon tax that is rebated to 60% of payee's will work?

[perfecho]

Will work a out as well as the rebates and tax conssesions that went back to the oilfield after they did or didn't pay their royalties... Some years that exceeded the royalties collected...

[Hamloc]

True enough but two wrongs don't make a right. Latest report by the International Energy Agency predicts by 2021 Growth in Canadian oil production will be zero. Most jobs are in construction and exploration in the oil patch. There is going to be no return to prosperity for oil workers. This is what government policy needs to address. Just like manufacturing jobs in Ontario I believe many oil jobs in the west are gone for good. We can all bang our partisan drums but in the end it is just noise!

[perfecho]

And maybe prosperity shouldn't return to the oilfield...at least not to the level it was.
There were many wrongs leading up to this...we concentrated too much on oilfield, forgot that technology and world supplies may effect oil prices...the carbon thing...likely it is a good call that they are doing something about it, because believe in carbon footprint or not, the majority of the world does and at least we are seen as doing something and not just opening the flood gates to make money.
We did not work out a "made in Canada" agreement that would have seen Canada use our oil, for the betterment of all of Canada, keep more jobs here, and even out the highs and lows that we all know is a problem. We screwed up on not creating processing here...fuel prices have not fallen at the same rate as crude..an opportunity that we lost.
It's not the ND's fault world crude prices have fallen so hard and heavy, but it is the previous government's fault it hurts as much as it does..and that just goes back to us...we loved wallowing in the good times as much as any....
Again, the ND's aren't the answer, but they are still better than the previous corruption... some good will come...some not so good ( I am still paying outrages electrical bills thanks to Ralph)...and we can review that in another few years....

[FarmRanger]

It's an ill wind that blows no good. The PCs needed a healthy dose of reality, and Albertans needed to understand just how bad a socialist government would be. It's like a kid, sometimes you can tell them, sometimes they need to touch the hot stove and learn for themselves.
At first I thought the Alberta NDs might hold off on some of the wackier stuff because "it's like Alberta". Unfortunately it turned out that they were just delaying until after their masters finished the federal elections.

I fear for how much more we're going to get burned before the next election can flush the bowl out again.

[perfecho]

So what is the "wackier stuff"...?

[foragefarmer]

Farmranger

'It's an ill wind that blows no good. The PCs needed a healthy dose of reality, and Albertans needed to understand just how bad a socialist government would be"

So what are you suggesting? Some sort of limited time allotment for the current Alberta NDP of a year or two, then a election be held so the PC's can, "in your mind", take power again?

Yup, your comment truly demonstrates that only a government that you support should be in power, forget anybody else's vote counting if they vote differently than you.

[FarmRanger]

perfecho: wackier stuff like the Bill 6 fiasco; throwing carbon taxes onto an already faltering economy. Need I go on?

foragefarmer: Seriously? You're quite the deluded piece of work now aren't you.

That's the problem with you socialists, you just want to rule the world and horsewhip everyone who disagrees with you.....there, maybe not as farfetched as yours, but I can do ridiculous hyperbole too,. Good night.

[perfecho]

Really...the Bill 6 was not handled right, agreed..but really, farmers should have different rules than everyone else? Farmers were actually the ones that lost face during that fiasco...many town's people wonder why they whined so much..and the wildrose was there to stir the pot, to make it even worse. Face book became the source of bad reference. Notely recanted and is looking at it piece by piece...I am ok with that.
Carbon tax...again, the perception in the world market is much better, industry is on board, and people know the rules. Timing...never great..again, ok with that move...there were much worse things the Cons did while in power, and at the beginning I supported them, so not even being partisan. You are going to have to do much better than that.
If corruption, mismanagement, nepotism is worth it, then you are more than welcome to it....but it is what got us here...not Notely.