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[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

I was a CWB supporter... and believed they were good for my farm.

When I found out the true situation... at the same time Commissioner Mr. Ken Beswick... God rest his soul... shortly thereafter resigned from the CWB... because of the problems we are now exposeing on these treads.

I cannot make what the CWB has done go away... and I am not asking you to pay me anything... or saying that you personally owe my farm or family anything... except... to honestly discover what is and has happened... with an open mind...

I did not want to believe there was a problem at the CWB either... unfortunately I could not ignore the facts that I discovered... and it is my responsibility to expose whatever problems there are... so that the CWB can be fixed... before it is too late...

[henbent]

TOM4CWB, If we share these common concerns and want to continue to see the CWB evolve. Why make such an outrageous statement as, "Shouldn't the CWB Go to Jail"? Their work and intent is not criminal in nature. There are programs that need and will change. Give the farm directors some time and credit. I trust that the programs and policies that have/are being formulated will help, not enslave farmers, evil is not on the agenda at the CWB. The one constant in our world is change.

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

WHat causes change?

93% of what we do is habit.

If we are not forced to change what we have been doing... we do not change.

The CWB is no different.

Unfortunately the CWB management in the end will understand one thing... that they use force and Jailing of farmers to ensure the habits of the CWB... in the end the same judgement will come back on the CWB... judge not lest you be judged... and when CDN. gov. Justice and Finance Dept management changes... then much will come back to rest at the CWB's door... if that be Minister Goodale or CWB management... someone will be responsible for what has happened.

The Jail issue is done with the CWB's best interests... cause if these folks don't understand what is happening... it is high time they exactly understand where many farmers thing they ought to be... IN JAIL.

Perhaps the CWBers will be smart enough to change... stopping what could happen...if they do not proactively change.

[henbent]

parsley, You have been a busy bee during the past few days! However your attempt to discredit and besmirch Minister Goodale and the CWB, by branding them as thieves will not work. Minister Goodale is an honest hard working fellow and the public record shows that he is the go-too guy when the Fed Gov't gets into trouble. You have said that he and the CWB are stealing from pool accts, committing theft. Wrong, In R. v. O'MAHONEY, (1966)2CCC.264,47CR22,53WWR 698 in this case the accused was personally responsible for shortages in accounts. Some shortages he made up by switching funds from one account to the other, but the ultimate deficiency he always made up from his own pocket. It was held that the he did not have an intent to commit theft. Colour of right and mens rea (guilty mind) are essential to prove theft, or stealing. I do not believe that Minister Goodale would knowingly perpetrate such a despicable act as you describe.

[henbent]

Simple and childish of you Henbent.

[parsley]

henbent,

You must have taken a Masters of Evasion during your Grad studies, because you continually seem to evade the point or else you try to throw out a decoy to try and make the reader concentrate on a different point. Let's try again.


This thread is not about trying to accuse Ralph Goodale of personally stealing out of the pooling accounts for his own personal benefit. That's nonsense and you know it.

But the Wheat Board itself does steal out of the pooling accounts and Goodale is utimately responsible for their actions. He is aware that they are taking money out of the pooling accounts to pay for licensing costs even though the CWB Act does not allow them to do so. He has been informed of their illegal action and he is, "wilfully omitting to do anything that it requires to be done".

The CWB isn't following their own Act and Goodale is watching them ignore it.

He might be your "go-too guy", henbent, but he's straying from the legal boundaries constrained by the Act, the very Act he has taken an oath to uphold.

Parsley

[henbent]

kernel, Have you always been a jerk, or is it just me that gets under your hide?

[ianben]

henbent
You said "Marketing is selling, making a profit on what you produce"

How does the CWB do this for you?

Canadian farmers produce wheat which they feel is wanted and the CWB has to sell it wether a market exists or not.

The CWB just sells with no knowledge of your costs and no price fixed just looking for sales to move grain. No price being too low as it will be hidden by the average in the pool.

Instead of getting the best price it reduces the price to all farmers round the world.

Marketing is producing what we can sell for a profit and to do that we need to manage both the production and have control over the price it is sold for.

This is what most people fear about your CWB the large amount of UNPRICED grain in the hand of agents to whom price is irrelevent!!

[henbent]

ianben, The CWB sells some of my grain each year and I sell some of my grain each year. On our farm, we know when we are selling and making a profit on a commodity. Greed is not the only thing that motivates us simple folk. I am not prepared to sit around stewing about whether there was 5 - 10 cents, more. When I pull the trigger and sell, it is on my terms. We grow a variety of commodities and as such spread the risk. Our physical location, precludes us from becoming involved in the international trading of commodities. We depend on the CWB to be our international broker/seller to the world. They are in fact our ace in the hole. Since we have little or no subsidy support. Farmer directors at the CWB represent our interests fairly and with integrity on the world scene.

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

Wishing a problem will go away... and failing to admit it exists... does nothing to solve the obvious and clearly visible problems down at the CWB.

It is really too bad reality must shatter your faith in the CWB... as it shattered my faith in this institution.

I do hope that the CWB will stop what it has been doing... and start respecting all "designated area" grain producer's property... however I have a strong suspicion that the Federal government is the main force behind CWB problems... as the CDN Finance Dept. approves all business (through business plans) the CWB does... and CWB staff and Management are careful to never cross Minister Goodale... the protector of the CWB.

The CWB is all about the power of the CDN. government... not about how much western CDN farmers get for their wheat and barley!