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[ianben]

Tom
If only we could market wheat like we both market straw. Did you manage to supply your guy with the drought?
Straw prices are low here. Good weather at harvest and reduced demand after two high priced years. It is surpising what alternatives can be found!
My guy is still using just as much and we both have a steady income with less risk and worry.

It is spring here daffodils are in flower and time to apply some N.

Put fertilizer spreader on this morning spinning disc mounted on 3point hitch.
Second load top link broke while working spreader fell backwards bending discs and vanes PTO snapped and bent shaft in gear box. Parts will cost more than machine worth.

Just a bit more personal pain but good news for a machinery salesman!

Good job we love what we do.

[TOM4CWB]

Ianben;

The straw we produced only was 20% of normal... it was low quality and tough... all around a disaster for all involved...

even though it cost us twice what it usually does to produce the straw this year... we charged the same price as the last few years...

We did get other farmers to supply some more straw to help fill the shortfall... but overall it was not a good situation!

Our Mushroom farm did find enough to make it through to next year... and we planted 500 ac of winter wheat to get as early straw production as possible for next season...

Farming is a challenge no doubt about it!

[henbent]

TOM4CWB, I have not been brainwashed by the CWB, I just don't happen to agree with your fanatical approach to these issues. Changes have been made and are being made at the CWB. Admin costs have come down. If you think that you are subsidizing my farm, I can assure you that your share and more is coming back through the Income Tax that we pay!!

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

I do not understand how your paying income tax compensates me for the $40/t extra basis charge the CWB monopoly just extracted from my farm... when the CWB promised they would only charge me actual costs on this contract!

Further... the smoke and mirror CWB Administrative charges have increased each year... many times more if done on a per tonne base.

THe CWB trys to fool you be counting the net interest earnings on billions of dollars of bad debt.

Since this bad debt is VERY unlikely to ever be paid off... all the CWB is doing through this churning of bad debt, is increasing the amount owed by the CWB debtor nations... plus the transaction fees for doing all this debt churning... going to brokers and bankers.... all to have you believe the CWB is doing something useful and productive... when in fact all the CWB is adding debt to my childern's account.... that the next generation of Canadians must pay off!

I call this fraud carried out upon my childern's generation... in the name of deception and government expediency...

I don't know if you even care to understand what this is all about... but if you do... maybe you should look into the truth of what is actually happening down at the CWB... Mr. Earl Geddes admitted that the accumulated borrowings for the 2001-02 crop year... done by the CWB... stated at Mr. Jim Chatenay's CWB Accountability Meeting on March 3rd... was some 79 billion dollars... yes the is Billion with a B... on business conducted of approx. 3.5 Billion through the CWB sales of grain.

Now if you borrowed 20 times your total gross earnings each year... wouldn't your bankers be very happy... and wouldn't you agree something very deceptive and screwey was going on?

[henbent]

TOM4CWB, Hey listen to this, I don't owe you or your pals anything, ANYTHING, let alone billions upon billions of dollars. You must be one heck of a producer/marketer to suggest such a silly thing.

There are some good news articles on the CWB at the Western Producer website MAR 13 Volume 81 edition; www.producer.com

[parsley]

Henbent,

You believe, "Changes have been made and are being made at the CWB. Admin costs have come down."

Expenses need to come down a lot more, because legally, they must.

Lets talk about how the CWB lies to farmers. I haven't forgotten, henbent.

The CWB has been taking money out of the West's pooling accounts to pay for the CWB's licensing costs across Canada.

Not only do Prairie farmers pay for the big corporations' licensing costs and for all the other farmers in the other provinces, but they also pay licensing costs for the accredited agents of the Board.

All the costs associated with Licensing responsibilities are LEGISLATIVELY, supposed to be paid by the Federal Government out of the Revenue Consolidated Fund, including the cost of licensing in the Designated Area. The CWB ignores their own act.

Does the CWB know this? Yes they do. Does the Minister of the CWB know this? Yes he does.

What does the CWB tell farmers when asked who is supposed to pay these Licensing costs associated with Part IV?

Initially, the CWB refused to even acknowledge that the Government, according to the CWB Act, was supposed to pick up the licensing bill. Then the CWB began admitting the bill would be VERY small.. not worth worrying about....then they told farmers they were looking into it...then they told farmers it would be approximately $10K worth of expenses ....then one of the Directors..Michael Halyk... stated publically that the expenses were actually supposed to be paid by the Federal Government...then the CWB upped the yearly licensing expenses to $100K....and on and on

They are liars.

Minister Goodale knows what they have been doing is against the law and Alberta Director Jim Chatenay wrote him a letter stating that mmoney was being taken from Prairie farmers pooling accounts to pay licensing costs and this was alleged, by farmers in District #2, to be an illegal action..

Goodale is "looking into" this.

If Goodale doesn't do something about it soon, the penalty he could pay is described under
PART IV-OFFENSES AGAINST ADMIN. OF LAW AND JUSTICE, titled

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"DISOBEYING A STATUTE/

126. (i) Ever one who, without lawful excuse, contravenes an Act of Parliament by wilfully doing anything that it forbids or by wilfully omitting to do anything that it requires to be done, unless a punishment is expressly provided by law, guilty of an indictable offense and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years."

UNQUOTE

The Wheat Board and the Minister really should start paying attention to farmers and start telling them the truth. A good way to make ammends would be to quit stealing out of the pooling accounts.

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

I was a CWB supporter... and believed they were good for my farm.

When I found out the true situation... at the same time Commissioner Mr. Ken Beswick... God rest his soul... shortly thereafter resigned from the CWB... because of the problems we are now exposeing on these treads.

I cannot make what the CWB has done go away... and I am not asking you to pay me anything... or saying that you personally owe my farm or family anything... except... to honestly discover what is and has happened... with an open mind...

I did not want to believe there was a problem at the CWB either... unfortunately I could not ignore the facts that I discovered... and it is my responsibility to expose whatever problems there are... so that the CWB can be fixed... before it is too late...

[henbent]

TOM4CWB, If we share these common concerns and want to continue to see the CWB evolve. Why make such an outrageous statement as, "Shouldn't the CWB Go to Jail"? Their work and intent is not criminal in nature. There are programs that need and will change. Give the farm directors some time and credit. I trust that the programs and policies that have/are being formulated will help, not enslave farmers, evil is not on the agenda at the CWB. The one constant in our world is change.

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

WHat causes change?

93% of what we do is habit.

If we are not forced to change what we have been doing... we do not change.

The CWB is no different.

Unfortunately the CWB management in the end will understand one thing... that they use force and Jailing of farmers to ensure the habits of the CWB... in the end the same judgement will come back on the CWB... judge not lest you be judged... and when CDN. gov. Justice and Finance Dept management changes... then much will come back to rest at the CWB's door... if that be Minister Goodale or CWB management... someone will be responsible for what has happened.

The Jail issue is done with the CWB's best interests... cause if these folks don't understand what is happening... it is high time they exactly understand where many farmers thing they ought to be... IN JAIL.

Perhaps the CWBers will be smart enough to change... stopping what could happen...if they do not proactively change.

[henbent]

parsley, You have been a busy bee during the past few days! However your attempt to discredit and besmirch Minister Goodale and the CWB, by branding them as thieves will not work. Minister Goodale is an honest hard working fellow and the public record shows that he is the go-too guy when the Fed Gov't gets into trouble. You have said that he and the CWB are stealing from pool accts, committing theft. Wrong, In R. v. O'MAHONEY, (1966)2CCC.264,47CR22,53WWR 698 in this case the accused was personally responsible for shortages in accounts. Some shortages he made up by switching funds from one account to the other, but the ultimate deficiency he always made up from his own pocket. It was held that the he did not have an intent to commit theft. Colour of right and mens rea (guilty mind) are essential to prove theft, or stealing. I do not believe that Minister Goodale would knowingly perpetrate such a despicable act as you describe.

[henbent]

Simple and childish of you Henbent.

[parsley]

henbent,

You must have taken a Masters of Evasion during your Grad studies, because you continually seem to evade the point or else you try to throw out a decoy to try and make the reader concentrate on a different point. Let's try again.


This thread is not about trying to accuse Ralph Goodale of personally stealing out of the pooling accounts for his own personal benefit. That's nonsense and you know it.

But the Wheat Board itself does steal out of the pooling accounts and Goodale is utimately responsible for their actions. He is aware that they are taking money out of the pooling accounts to pay for licensing costs even though the CWB Act does not allow them to do so. He has been informed of their illegal action and he is, "wilfully omitting to do anything that it requires to be done".

The CWB isn't following their own Act and Goodale is watching them ignore it.

He might be your "go-too guy", henbent, but he's straying from the legal boundaries constrained by the Act, the very Act he has taken an oath to uphold.

Parsley