Brad Wall uses taxpayers money for carbon capture

[bucket]

I thought farmers were carbon sequesterers?

How come no one wants to pay farmers to sequester?

Seems we see no benefits from doing so. Just a freebie to the government?

[burnt]

Take a look at Ontario if you want to see what happens when envirofreak policies run rampant. Electricity costs have almost doubled and will only continue to skyrocket. minimum wage goes up a few pennies and living costs go up by 10X that amount. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you".

So we need more Kevin O'Learys to turn up the pressure -[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/kevin-oleary/a-letter-to-kathleen-wynn_b_9347414.html?utm_hp_ref=kevin-oleary"]http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/kevin-oleary/a-letter-to-kathleen-wynn_b_9347414.html?utm_hp_ref=kevin-oleary[/URL]

He tells Wynne that he wants a quarterly report on how much money has been collected by her weather (AKA- carbon) tax, exactly where it was spent, and how much the carbon emissions have been reduced. Oh, and keep that weather tax money in its own account...

Sounds reasonable to me.

Then he calls Notley out as well - [URL="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/you-have-to-do-something-ms-notley-heres-a-four-point-plan-for-alberta/article29012727/"]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/you-have-to-do-something-ms-notley-heres-a-four-point-plan-for-alberta/article29012727/[/URL]

The whole AGW spiel - the worst threat we face! - is the biggest hoax ever visited on humanity and will certainly result in another dark ages for the West while the Orient continues to go full bore ahead as we once-Christian nations have our throats slit in the dark by our newly welcomed economic migrants...

Kevin O'Leary for prime minister.

[burnt]

this -

oh there is lots that could be done on many fronts; including fossil fuels that will have very important uses...given fair chances.

But it is pretty hypocritical for self righteous bastards deciding what is best for everyone; and what choices are appropriate for others; especially when they are as deeply dependent on those same useful and necessary sources at the present time.

And its not productive to try to put that message into softer terms; since the movements minds are so filled with singular "eco friendly hype" and uncompromising demands of other options they use; but express disgust at others depending upon in the same way..

[oneoff]

If only that message could be shoved down the throats of each and everyone that is participated in this disasterous "plan".

It won't go in their eyes or ears.

[chuckChuck]

I don't think anybody should be called a wacko just because they want clean air and clean water for themselves, their family, and their community.

History is full of examples of civilizations that caused their own collapse because of environmental degradation.

There is alot of self centred thinking. What will happen to me, my family, my job, my wealth, my power. People are so scared of any change that might alter their lives in relativey small ways.

Humans didn't progress based on only self centred interests. They used scientific and social progress based on the best evidence of the day to make decisions. It is a flawed process but it is the best we have.

[ado089]

Reduced flow in the prairie rivers is an even better reason to have a dam every 300-400 miles. Fill them up in the spring and have water all year. Most environmentalist are dumb as shit because they exclude the two best options for carbon free energy production. If there was any vision in this province and a willingness to tell the vocal minority to **** off, we could be the clean energy powerhouse of North America. But no we have to consult everyone for 10 years and listen to every idiot that has an opinion, figure out how much money the Indians get to extort, figure out the habitat loss for gophers and go's knows what else. Mustard, how would you feel about a $1/bbl tax going directly into a fund to build dams and develop technology for nuclear waste management?

[bucket]

Ado089

Yup agreed.

That's the problem with most politicians ... no vision and no balls.

If just some of the greens would understand what diefenbaker Douglas and Gardner did 50 years ago they might start to understand what vision means.

[cottonpicken]

Clean air and water and pollution against carbon dioxide are very different things and I'm all for that type of clean up. I think I had neuibours die from h2s. So why not focus on that?or just let fukashima keep poring cesnium into the ocean?

[mustardman]

ado089
if you can't get the the oil industry to Pay into a fund to clean up their own wells , Wall thinks We should do that WTF.
And you think a 1 barrel is going to help pay for the costs of nuclear??

Ontario has a huge debt and some of that is Due to high cost of Nuclear.
Darlington nuclear estimated cost $3.9 billion
ACTUAL Cost $14 billion !!
The accident liability and waste management costs are thru the roof

[oneoff]

So clean air and water comes only from no more pipelines; phasing out coal fired electrical production and allowing like minded "environmentalists" to decide whether or not they change their own holiday schedule; jet fuel use; and consumption of fossil fuels etc. as long as they decide they can afford it. And just because a small fraction of farmers are cognisent of their premium prices for products not produced for less affluent consumers who may or may not have access to adequate quantity or quality (at all) should be of great concern to anyone not totally interested in their self interest.

That self interest accusation applied to others is sometimes seeming best applied to the author who first mentioned it.

If CO2 emissions are so dangerous; then lets reduce it by making sure everyone cuts back consumption of the offending products. Not just if you can't afford it.
In addition I note an expectation of "clean air and water" and not much reference to byproducts of combustion; nor what really is bothering environmentalists.

That, I think, is the perception that all the food we eat is unsafe because of genetic manipulation; cruelty to chickens and all other animals through confinement; large scale business run type agricultural farms, anntibiotic, growth stimulants, presumed layers of pesticides, insecticides and herbicides; inferior nutrient quality of food staples and the potential loss of the niche fussy eater consumers.

Thus it has been determined to emphasize the above issues that have not been proven;.... and are impossible to refute when it should be obvious no one would be willing to take a chance if there was even 10% possible truth in those claims being widespread.

This battle has been lost already.

And those who have won should be held responsible if it turns out their solutions have caused more problems than we currently may have.

And it won't take decades to decide what has happened. Irrepairable harm has been done to the oil industry and Western Canada. Coal fired electrical plants won't be reactivated; pipelines are needed for energy product movement and Countries such as Canada may have ruined their economies all for huge net losses on the fronts that were supposed to "save "us.

ThUs the emphasis on the message about how everything else is so badly contaminated It is not fit to eat or drink or breathe what we now have as commercial production. What a lie and deception.

Maybe just enlighten everyone about how solar and wind energy can even be created without massive amounts of energy that are coming from fossil fuels and conventional sources. You Know, heating sand and chemicals to the melting point for solar panels and smelting metal ores to create tons of aluminum; iron copper and all their waste products and CO2 and what is involved in looking at the big picture regarding windfarms.

Not to mention shading the ground; living under or near things that are dangerous in themselves; and not yet considered works of art.

And just because the general consumer says they believe the above to be true.....doesn't mean they have been duped and caught up in a perfect firestorm.

[ado089]

At 3.7 million barrels a day a $1/barrel adds up fast. Hydro is still among the cheapest sources of electricity, in there with coal and natural gas. Nuclear is close to wind and still much cheaper than solar. Both provide consistent energy supply regardless of the weather. Furthermore the development in fourth generation nuclear plants make them even safer, if that's even a real concern, and some of them basically reduce fissionable materiel to gravell. Some are even capable of using existing waste. What is left over only remains radioactive for a couple hundred years instead of thousands. Most don't even use water as coolant anymore. Given the that Saskatchewan is sysmically stable the only safety risk we run would be some union dipshit doing his job description instead of his job.

[ado089]

At 3.7 million barrels a day a $1/barrel adds up fast. Hydro is still among the cheapest sources of electricity, in there with coal and natural gas. Nuclear is close to wind and still much cheaper than solar. Both provide consistent energy supply regardless of the weather. Furthermore the development in fourth generation nuclear plants make them even safer, if that's even a real concern, and some of them basically reduce fissionable materiel to gravell. Some are even capable of using existing waste. What is left over only remains radioactive for a couple hundred years instead of thousands. Most don't even use water as coolant anymore. Given the that Saskatchewan is sysmically stable the only safety risk we run would be some union dipshit doing his job description instead of his job.

[ado089]

Furthermore I'd rather see a tax go directly to an initiative vs some bullshit feel good collection just going into general revenue so a bunch of entitled hipster shit heads feel like they're doing something meaningful.

[mustardman]

ado. Good grief you'd better sign on Bruce Nuclear as spokesmen
. Nuclear is as cheap as solar that's a good one

Remember Bruce nuclear? They came calling soon as Wall was elected trying to sell him their 14 billion plan
If you like to Invest in nuclear , invest your own f$##kin money.
Buy some Telegraph shares while your at it

[ado089]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2015/07/09/using-lcoe-to-find-the-cheapest-energy-mix-for-america/#177383c77e46 using one Ontario government **** up as a benchmark is hardly common sense.