Brad Wall uses taxpayers money for carbon capture

[oneoff]

Maybe April Fool's day should be declared a holiday to occur when called by any person at any time.

[sawfly]

thanks oneoff for the en lighting comments.

the carbon capture venture may be a expensive experiment gone bad , but if it made coal usable, it would be huge world wide.

i know a lot of us , kinda wonder about the global warming thing .
myself included.
and carbon reduction actually accomplishing anything.
compared to the earths natural cycles .

that said

with 98% of the science on their side and 40% of the worlds population at risk of being under water. (melting ice caps)
things are gonna change whether we like it or not.

best we can hope for are sane logical approach to reduce carbon emissions.


thanks too Tom for that interesting article .

[mustardman]

one off.
I agree that we might be shutting down coal fired plants if this doesn't work ( maybe the Billions spent could have went to renewables ?)

But this is not any where close to working and yet they are off on trade missions to Sell the technology ???
Just by reciting the 'clean coal clean coal' mantra doesn't make it so
It's a Carbon Tax even though Brad Doesn't call it that.
The Biggest Benefactor of Our tax dollars has been the Oil field as the procedure helps release more oil from the formation .
In fact I ve always thought of it as An oil plan that was Spun as an Enviromental play butPaid for by US

[bucket]

How does anyone know that the carbon capture system doesn't have the VW component to it?


Maybe it's a slick program to fool the masses or at least a couple of government ministers that enjoy filling people's wallets?

[sumdumguy]

Mustardmen, wonder what you suggest for renewables?

[oneoff]

Ok It is claimed there is a US patent in place (but no patent number cited that I found).
Sounds good; but real patents have actual patent numbers that anyone can search and reproduce from the several internet sources.

Who will provide this link first? And how did that pilot project (S) work out. Some preliminary results should be available.


More digging please; because at this stage it does sound too good to be true.

[oneoff]

US patent numbers US20110243828A1 and US8778293B2 (July 14/2014)

SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION
[0003]
In accordance with an aspect of the present invention, there is provided a system for producing ammonia from air and water, comprising a pressure-swing-adsorption (PSA) nitrogen generator for extracting nitrogen gas from air; a hydrogen generator comprising an electrolysis cell for producing hydrogen gas from water; a first piston-cylinder gas compressor connected to the nitrogen generator for receiving and compressing the nitrogen gas to produce pressurized nitrogen gas; a second piston-cylinder gas compressor connected to the hydrogen generator for receiving and compressing the hydrogen gas to produce pressurized hydrogen gas; a reactor connected to the first and second cylinder gas compressors to receive the pressurized nitrogen and hydrogen gases, the reactor comprising a third piston-cylinder gas compressor for further compressing a mixture of the pressurized nitrogen and hydrogen gases, a heater for heating the mixture in the third compressor, and a catalyst in the third compressor for catalyzing a reaction of nitrogen and hydrogen in the mixture to form ammonia; a gas separator for separating ammonia from gases received from the reactor, the gas separator comprising an inlet connected to the reactor for receiving the gases from the reactor, a first outlet connected to the reactor for circulating the gases back to the reactor, and a second outlet for outputting the ammonia. The first piston-cylinder gas compressor may be adapted to produce the pressurized nitrogen gas at a pressure of from about 60 to about 70 psi. The second piston-cylinder gas compressor may be adapted to produce the pressurized hydrogen gas at a pressure of from about 30 to about 40 psi. The third piston-cylinder gas compressor may be adapted to compress the mixture of the pressurized nitrogen and hydrogen gases to a pressure up to about 2,800 psi. The third piston-cylinder gas compressor may be adapted to operate at a temperature of above 500° C. and a pressure of above 2,000 psi. The third piston-cylinder gas compressor may be adapted to operate at a temperature from about 450 to about 500° C. and a pressure of from about 2,000 to about 3000 psi. The catalyst may be selected from ruthenium, carbon steel, iron, titanium, stelite, and platinum, or a mixture of two or more thereof. The catalyst may be selected from ruthenium, iron, and titanium, or a mixture of two or more thereof. The system may comprise a catalyst bed containing the catalyst.
[0004]
In accordance with another aspect of the present invention, there is provided a process for producing ammonia from air and water, comprising producing nitrogen gas from air by pressure-swing-adsorption; producing hydrogen gas by electrolysis of water; compressing the nitrogen gas in a first cylinder to produce pressurized nitrogen gas; compressing the hydrogen gas in a second cylinder to produce pressurized hydrogen gas; compressing a mixture of the pressurized nitrogen and hydrogen gases in a third cylinder; heating the compressed mixture in the presence of a catalyst to react nitrogen and hydrogen to form ammonia; and extracting the ammonia from the mixture. The pressurized nitrogen gas may have a pressure of from about 60 to about 70 psi. The pressurized hydrogen gas may have a pressure of from about 30 to about 40 psi. The mixture of the pressurized nitrogen and hydrogen gases may be compressed to a pressure up to about 2,800 psi. The catalyst may be selected from ruthenium, carbon steel, iron, titanium, stelite, and platinum, or a mixture of two or more thereof. The catalyst may be selected from ruthenium, iron, and titanium, or a mixture of two or more thereof. The pressurized nitrogen and hydrogen gases may be reacted at a temperature from about 450 to about 500° C. and a pressure of about 2,000 to about 3000 psi, or at a temperature of above 500° C. and a pressure of above 2,000 psi. The volume ratio of hydrogen to nitrogen in the mixture of the pressurized nitrogen and hydrogen gases may be about 3:1.
[0005]
Other aspects and features of the present invention will become apparent to those of ordinary skill in the art upon review of the following description of specific embodiments of the invention in conjunction with the accompanying figures.



Unquote
Best to be pretty careful with anhydrous ammonia and having a transport certicate somehow doesn't come close to qualify anyone as beng trained in playing with this substance at the level suggested in the advertising literature on the internet.

And 2800 psi is dangerous connsidering the possibilities of explosions and potential fire byproducts; and the inherent dangerous product that we all should realize NH# is.

There's a lot of propaganda hype on the website; and anyone against pipelines and commercial fertilizers isn't liable to jump on this bandwagon.

Does sound interesting but maybe stick to combusting flare gas in a common gas motor at least until the easy abundant waste resources are put to some productive use.

[mustardman]

sumdumguy. Alberta and Sask have far More Sunny days Than Germany .
Germany produces 35000 mega watts and on its way to 52000 mega watts
Sask power capacity is 3900 mega watts and we import 224,000 mega watts

We could surely get close to what the Germans are doing in far sunnier conditions

[food4u]

We have two very under used sources of renewable energy in this province and that is the North and South Saskatchewan rivers. Even mention a hydro electric dam and the envios go ballistic.The water can reused over and over again as it moves to the ocean but NO you might damage river ecology. How much land will be taken out of ag production by windmills and solar panel farms?

[oneoff]

Oh there is lots that could be done on many fronts; including fossil fuels that will have very important uses...given fair chances.

But it is pretty hypocritical for self righteous bastards deciding what is best for everyone; and what choices are appropriate for others; especially when they are as deeply dependent on those same useful and necessary sources at the present time.

And its not productive to try to put that message into softer terms; since the movements minds are so filled with singular "eco friendly hype" and uncompromising demands of other options they use; but express disgust at others depending upon in the same way..

[mustardman]

The long term study on water in the saskatchewan rivers shows a decreased flow due to climate change

So Alberta takes 50% of a reduced flow and we take 25% of a reduced flow and Manitoba gets what's left
I don't think building hydro dams on presumption that everything will Stay the same is a good plan

[food4u]

The power house at the present dam only uses three of the five tunnels that were constructed.Over the past number of years the spillway has had to be used many times because the turbines can only use so much water.Any that goes over the spillway is lost down stream.Yes, the other two dams down stream will maybe use the water but maybe not because the stream flow was too high.

[bucket]

Dams make more sense by controlling the flow and cascading it thru the system.

It's idiotic to flow excess water to the ocean without reaping hydro power out of it as many times as possible.

Wtf is wrong with the environmentalists is beyond my comprehension.

Once the dam is full normal flows return but if you have the ability to get 5 times the clean energy out of the same gallon of water... why not?

[cottonpicken]

Bunch of God damn insanity. Look we changed the atmosphere .000003 percent and a politian thinks up heh more tax revenue we already are ****ing the sheep so hard we need a new ideas for tax revenue. Whoops global warming data doesn't add up we need to change to climate change. Gee you think the sheep will buy that?well they bought everything else so far look at the bowling pin Alvin law stumbling around they can't even ask questions about that because they are to busy working and paying taxes to have time to read and question. The old kings of Europe have nothing on us

[Hamloc]

Cotton couldn't agree more. How is Selfie Prime putting a price of 15 dollars a tonne on carbon going to magically make us quit using it. It will only increase our cost of living. Alberta was already greening our electrical sources we are going to spend billions to move that timetable up 5 or ten years. Canadians are gullible and suckers for punishment. Governments are bringing in carbon taxes because they want more money plain and simple!!!