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    March madness - Justin's federal budget deficit pool. How low can he go?

    Not only will Justin have a huge deficit number but he is working on some changes that may impact a lot of farmers.

    I think he will project a $36 Billion deficit, go big or go home.

    Any other guesses? Winner gets to pick up the tab...or we all do.



    On Tuesday, Finance Minister Bill Morneau will introduce the Liberals’ first federal budget and Canadians will learn whether the government will follow through, temper or back down entirely from some of its pre-election promises and perhaps introduce some previously unannounced tax changes. Here are three areas of concern to some taxpayers and predictions as to what may happen on Tuesday.

    Small business taxation

    In its pre-election platform, the Liberal party stated it “will ensure that Canadian Controlled Private Corporation (CCPC) status is not used to reduce personal income tax obligations for high-income earners rather than supporting small businesses.” Their platform quoted a University of Ottawa study, estimating that “approximately $500 million per year is lost, particularly as high-income individuals use CCPC status as an income-splitting tool.”

    Libin: Why do the Liberals need to dive so far into the red ink?

    When this was announced, business owners, including incorporated professionals such as doctors, lawyers and accountants, feared that the government may introduce rules to restrict access to the small business tax rate, perhaps following Quebec’s lead and requiring a minimum of three employees to gain access to the small business deduction (starting in 2017). Others worried that the government may restrict the ability of professionals to income split with a spouse/partner or adult children, perhaps by imposing a version of the “kiddie tax” that currently applies to private company dividends payable to minor children, by taxing them at the highest marginal rate in the spouse’s or kids’ hands.




    It appears, however, that these changes could be placed on hold, at least for now, if the government heeds the advice of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Finance. The committee, which issued its final report on budget 2016 consultations last week, stated that the government should “not make any changes to the current federal taxation regime and other rules as they apply to small businesses, including professional businesses, incorporated as Canadian-controlled private corporations.”

    Employees with stock options

    Another potential tax change included in the Liberals’ election platform was to limit the benefits of the 50 per cent employee stock option deduction by placing a cap of $100,000 on annual eligible stock option gains. In late November 2015, however, Morneau said that “(a)ny decision we take on stock options will affect stock options issued from that date forward.” Recent news reports indicate that Morneau may postpone or even drop such a change altogether in response to intense lobbying by companies in the tech sector who rely, in large measure, on non-cash stock option compensation to attract top talent.

    Capital gains rates

    Finally, could the government really be considering an increase in the capital gains inclusion rate from 50 per cent to 66 2/3 per cents, 75 per cent or some other amount? While accountants and lawyers have been rushing to complete major transactions prior to any announcement in the budget, raising the tax rate on capital gains is unlikely.

    In fact, if anything, the government may wish to consider dropping or even eliminating capital gains taxes altogether, based on a 2015 study by the Fraser Institute that showed reducing capital gains taxes “improves the incentives for entrepreneurs and assists those financing business startups.” The study concluded that Canada can “supercharge its entrepreneurial environment” by cutting the capital gains tax rate, or “simply by eliminating the capital gains tax, as has been done in many countries around the world.”

    #2
    Is the gst gonna get raised back up to 7%?

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      #3
      **** IT...

      I give up and am going to become a taker not a giver.

      I've been paying my fair share for a while now... maybe time to get on the dole.

      How's that for a socialist attitude.

      Maybe I want to be the parasite for a while, instead of the host.

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        #4
        Eliminate the capital gains tax and the farm community turns over. You could see new people in quickly.

        Good or bad .... don't know.

        But it would definitely change the landscape.

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          #5
          A national carbon tax would be a concern for ag.
          ALL freight will go up, natural gas, diesel, power, equipment, etc will increase.

          My guess is a $29 billion deficit announcement Tuesday but it ends up being greater at year end.
          This will be blamed on global warming. 😂
          Last edited by Oliver88; Mar 19, 2016, 09:27.

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            #6
            Fuel prices up, carbon tax up.

            Anyone notice, no politician has mentioned what farmers are getting for their contribution to sequestering?


            Why?

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              #7
              8% of current so 52 ballpark. It will take 30 just for debt servicing.

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                #8
                More likely the government will reduce the capital gains exemption.

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                  #9
                  I dont worry about it anymore. Just happy to be alive and fairly healthy. Been watching to many people of my age die, or laying in a hospital bed slowly dying. Wonder if they are worried about capital gains, gst increase, or paying to many taxes? NO.

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                    #10
                    Agchat - I hear you and totally agree with your thoughts. Besides, anything I say or do won't change a thing, so why waste your time thinking about it? I get up in the morning, check the obituary page in the paper, and if my name isn't in there - it's a good day!

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                      #11
                      Ag chat X100. Somebody said the other day that one should enjoy their days, not count them.

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                        #12
                        The Idiot son has big plans for this country.
                        Oh he is going to leave his mark. Just like his earth day post. Burning a log in the fire place sitting in the dark. Ah biggest polluter ever.

                        Budget will be like this.

                        Close to 36 Billion.

                        Will be lots of talk on how Canada will be a winner in Mind of the world on Carbon reduction. ( May as well Kill Oil because that's what's coming)

                        Gst will go up from 5% to 7% at midnight. Just do your part Canadians because we only produce 2% of the Carbon in the world not 21 or 40 like China and USA but hey were such a nice friendly place to live.

                        Oh farmers your going to get it and get it good. A new scheme will be developed with new Government Employees telling MR. Farmer what he can grow, What he can Till. What he can push. What he can drain. What flowers he cant destroy or wildlife damage he can not disturb. Basically the Europe way 2.0.
                        But for doing all this a Carrot will be some Carbon Sequester plan paying pennies back to you Mr. Farmer.
                        Ah fuel will have a extra 5 cents a liter to start with just because. Then home heated by natural gas oh you bad people its Geo Thermal all the way. Cost will go up as Liberal friendly companies make Billions.
                        Why use the natural gas its so bad but change your home over with a grant and wow you win. Wink Wink.
                        Get your roof done with solar panels. Buy a wind mill all with grants.
                        Its the new way leave oil and gas in the ground and lets go green.
                        Now how to pay for all this shit.

                        Income splitting will be gone.
                        Capital gains hes going to play with this and play hard. He is broke and needs cash.
                        Either a Death Tax will be introduced. Say 25% to the crown when you die.
                        Tax free account will be dropped back to 5000 per year.
                        Big business who go green will get big big breaks. Bombardier wins.
                        Small business oh how we all created companies just to have them get us now.

                        I am being tough on the kid but really why in the world would one of the lowest polluters and Carbon emitters want to destroy a industry that's bringing in Cash Cash Cash. To go Green is beyond me. Kill the west. Domination. or just paying back for never ever giving the Eastern power players a chance.

                        Sad day for Canada begins in two days.

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                          #13
                          I heard the number 30 'for sure' and a possible 18 'additional', so I am going to say $48 billion. The West didn't vote Red, so it will have to pay for its sinful, earth-destroying ways.

                          Sounds like the perfect opportunity to organize and separate.

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                            #14
                            Sf3

                            Quick answer. Do you see anything positive for the country out of this budget?

                            Just playing devils advocate.

                            Good analysis.

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                              #15
                              If they gave us farmers a big chuck of Cash for not working or burning our land as a carbon sink. Yea that would work. Also the forests in Canada have huge Carbon sink.
                              But spending huge to create this vision of Green in a country that has huge oil and gas reserves doesn't make sense to me.
                              I would give him a thumbs up if I believed deep down he was doing something positive.

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