Free wheat area of Canada

[eatmorewheat]

Free wheat area of Canada
80.4%
- Newfoundland
- Nova Scotia
- New Brunswick
- Prince Edward Island
- Quebec
- Ontario
- Yukon
- Northwest Territories
- Nunavut
- British Columbia

Expropriation of wheat area in Canada
19.6%
- Manitoba
- Saskatchewan
- Alberta

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

Canadian charter of rights and freedoms

Is the Canadian Wheat Board "in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice?"

Free wheat in the ROC [rest of Canada]

[wilagro]

How much wheat is grown in Nunavut???

[henbent]

wilagro, Well statistically, if Nunavut grew 1 plant this year, their production and export potential would rise by 100%. This might make them a player on the world scene and with potential to keep doubling their output in future the sky is the limit, weird eh!!

[TOM4CWB]

Eatmorewheat;

According to our constitutional powers as set out in the BNA Act... and ruled by the Supreme Court of Canada... the CWB Act IS legal if the Province affected passes concurring legislation enabling the CWB Act to be fully functional in that provincial Jusisdiction...

Ontario Wheat Board Legislation actually is concurring legislation with the CWB Act... and works in conjunction with the CWB Act...

THis is why Alberta has the constitutional right to change how the CWB operates the monopoly in Alberta.

Trade an Commerce legislation never had the power to outright prohibit trade... as the CWB is claiming it's authority to enforce the monopoly is derived from.

I believe this is the principal reason the Cdn. Justice Dept is using the Customs Dept. to enforce the CWB Act... rather than using the CWB Act to punish those who have allegidly broken the CWB Act itself.

THis is the biggest smoke and mirror show in Canadian Legal History... led by the government of Canada!

Who would have thought!

[eatmorewheat]

Well if Nunavut grew one 10' x 10' patch of wheat at least it would be free. Or perhaps the DA area could be expanded to maximize Inuit wheat producer returns too.

I'm glad you got the message wilagro.

[boone]

Greetings 1& all. You know you guys keep talking about freedom to Dual market. You have got to admit here that as a group we have a terrible record of extracting the value of Canola, we are selling when we should be holding and vice versa, if I was a multinational, I would start buying the champagne, they will certainly be able to afford it. I sense before the market was done with too many sellers they would have some of you gents being squeezed like a supplier to WAL-MART. Where you just about pay them to take it and promise that you will take on all risk of future supply. But that will we for you to learn the hard way. It will be a time for your redemtion or demise. Now as devils advocate, why don't we try Canola under a dual market and see how this thing shapes up. If it is done with wheat, HRS Durum we can't get the Genie back in the WTO and NAFTA bottle, if it was a stupid move. Let's see some of you guys show a little benevolent courage, and push this idea. Anybody with any guts on the pro Dual Market side. If I see the benefits to us as a group, I'll be right beside you "like minded"-border rushing, windmill tilting, bra burning; oops, wrong battle. Well you know how you came across, same style event, Don't get upset get creative and let's work on this together. Set a deadline of five years for a fair assesment and live with the incongruity, good or bad.

[charliep]

Boone

Just wondering come you come to the conclusion canola price is undervalued relative to other oilseeds/vegoils? It has to be based on market information. Couldn't you use that same information in an open wheat market?

Just to keep terminology straight, there is no such thing as a dual market. There is the alternative of an open market with a CWB pooled price as one of the choices.

[boone]

CharlieP Now I'm not suggesting we are in or out of sync. with oils/bean/palm, at this time. What I am expressing here is even when we have a good premium in our markets there is no trigger that seems to induce profit taking as a group. It is more a reflection of what the coffee shop needs to have, or the fuel/ machinery/fcc/FIST,CFIP,AIDA,NISA,CROP INS. didn't trigger the way the accountant promised. So now we have a focus on marketing ( usually on the downslope) and as SOYROY tells us the JOHN DEERE LOW is one of the unsung realities on the USA side of the border. No more no less, just my H/O. The best result of an open market for wheat as I see it is as a group we may not do any worse than an ill advised sales team (CWB) that over or under commits our total crop!

[charliep]

Boone

Now I understand your point better.

It is interesting to see that the open market and pooled price system are in some sense coming together.

CWB producer pricing options (still room for discussion and improvement) are moving in the direction of providing more alternatives to manage price risk and improve cash flow.

Your comments on canola are also valid in terms of discipline - I don't know how many farmers I am talking to these days who wouldn't sell for $10/bu are now panicking/pulling the trigger at less than $8. My one success in life would be to get farmers to quit trying to sell their whole crop at once at the high price but rather pick out key times during the year when there are pricing opportunities and selling some. The gage of success is not picking the highest price but range being consistently profitable, getting bills paid on time and having an average price in the top third of prices most years (not every year). The key in this success is discipline.

An interesting question is why (when given a choice) farmers will almost always sell in the open market versus a pooled price. I seen pooled prices attempted with canola and some pulses (beans are an exception) offered by grain companies but they have never had large signups.

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie;

Pooled prices work well when I as a manager actually trust the marketer doing my pooling... because I entered the pool voluntarily and agreed to the terms of the pool.

Pools can certainly narrow the basis... if the marketer is working carefully for the farmer in the pool.

The Voluntary part of pooling... with competition as the check and balance (I can and will go to another marketer if not treated fairly) pools have worked very well on our farm for non-CWB Ag products!

THIS is why I am so disappointed that the CWB has done so much less than the Ontario Wheat Board... when the CWB should be capable of offering better options than Ontario because of the larger size and capibility to risk manage!

As the saying goes... lead, follow,,, or please.... get out... of our way.