Canadian CEOs want governments to invest in clean-tech innovation

[chuckChuck]

Check out the above post online as the tables are not readable on Agriville.

Once you do that, you will see that on shore wind in 2020 is projected to be cheaper than everything except for natural gas and geothermal and it is almost as cheap as natural gas.

Also of note Solar PV is very competitive with advanced coal and cheaper than coal with carbon capture and storage.

We are not going to replace all our base load energy needs with renewables for quite a long time.

Cost on new technology often start out high and then lowers which is what we are seeing with many renewables.

But to completely write off investments in renewables because you are ideologically opposed is just plain stupid.

Why not ask Sask Power for their LCOE estimates of cost for new capacity including wind?

Do you think Sask Power is full of left wing environmentalists? is that the only reason why they are investing heavily in renewables?

[chuckChuck]

Oneoff I would be interested to know what your solutions are for population growth and sustainable resource management considering the earths limits on resources and growth?

Clean water, clean air, nutritious food, shelter, education and healthcare. How are we going to pay for it all?

[Hamloc]

Chuck2, the globe and mail article clearly states what Germany is paying for electricity. Also clearly states the need for subsidies to make it competitive. Also talks of heat from a heavily subsidized biogas plant.

Germany DOES NOT have a carbon tax and has a VAT of 19%. My thought for Alberta is that a carbon tax has always been the wrong choice. It is not putting any money towards general revenues and is mainly to create a fund for the NDP to subsidize industries it likes. Most articles I have read point out that carbon would have to be priced at well over 100 dollars a tonne to effect consumption. A price of 20 or 30 dollars a tonne is nothing but a money grab.

Alberta needs a 5% sales tax and a policy of putting energy revenues into savings. Chuck2 enviros always talk about what we leave for our children, is leaving a massive debt like the 300 billion debt in Ontario good for our children. Imagine at birth your already in debt. As a farmer I want to leave things better for my children, it would be wrong for me to leave them with a huge debt just so I could live high off the hog, but that is what all Canadian governments are doing.

[oneoff]

Who thinks the demands of 9 billion people; in the near future; can be met with the resource use the world can sustain.

And does anyone think that impoverished nations aren't now aware of greener grass in other parts of the world. Would anyone deny human beings opportunities elsewhere than in their own bleak settings.

The answer is yes they would and the reality is that the status quo has already changed substantially.

Don't buy assets at sea level unless you're prepared to pay to have them moved.

Keep ignoring population growth and Mother Nature will eventually do the job ...one way or the other.

[oneoff]

Every once in a while you run across someone who talks as though money is no obstacle. You also wonder how much various forms of assistance; subsidies and support from special interests have now allowed them to speak for those who may be responsible for their success .

You know just pay 4 times already high electrical bills because its the right thing to do. Or I guess everyone should only eat organic food at substantially higher cost. It isn't a low cost alternative ...or is the argument that lifelong total costs all in and its a bargain at any price.
Well in fact probably the bulk of Western Canadian organic grain is not even being even produced for Canadian consumption; but rather for export to some European consumer who has the agenda of ridding the world of GMO's; saving every bush in far away lands and allowing those interfering consumers to feel good about controlling how chickens see the world.

When should we quit attempts at appeasement? Will it someday be seen as poor judgement to have ever allowed these agenda items to have been attached to financial dealings?

[chuckChuck]

Most farms are responsive to the market and are driven by supply and demand. If not they wouldn't be in business very long. You do believe in supply and demand and the principles of a free market?

Many food items are beyond the reach of many of the world's inhabitants including lots of meat and dairy products? Are you suggesting that these are not valid food industries because poor people can't afford them?

Where is your evidence that you will pay 4 times the cost of electricity? The LCOE that I posted above is one study and I am sure there are more that show that wind is currently competitive.

Can we convert the entire base load to wind? No. Can we invest in renewables that make economic sense? Yes, which is what Sask Power and Brad Wall must be planning for.

[oneoff]

It doesn't matter what the evidence is...you're not interested in hearing it.


Maybe start by reading the reports you provide; followed up by a lot more than just listening to like minded "environmentalists".

[riders2010]

Chuck eventually that carbon bullshit tax will be put on farmers which in the end will be transferred to higher prices for food which ultimately the poorer people will not afford. In that process farmers will go out of business and replaced by governments like china and Saudi Arabia who will produce their own good on our soil of which the conservatives and sask party have allowed the base if that to start and it appears the liberals are so wound up on this do good notion that their actions are only going to forward the stupidity and in my mind treason created by the former governments.

You need the alternative to be in place before you try force someone into doing something else because the something else is gonna be less money to buy other hinges that's all.

[chuckChuck]

Oneoff I have read what I have posted.

Alot of which comes from experts in their field backed up by evidence.

Primarily what I have seen from your posts are opinions based on a what?

Where is your empirical evidence that carbon taxes don't work and that renewable energy is not viable a option?