Ritz was right, so far

[bucket]

Then why keep ordering up reviews if no one acts on them other than to give someone a job for a while.

And always at the end of a term when they know ****ing well the next minister will not act on it.

[farmaholic]

Hoppy, you keep trying to resuscitate this terminally ill issue that seems to have no chance of survival or resolution.

What would you like to see?

What level of regulation would you like to see? Zero to full or somewhere in between.

Nationalization.

Joint and open running rights.

Fully commercial arrangements.

Here is a revelation(not really). ....unfortunately I still have to pay for the inefficiencies in the system. As far as I'm concerned now that we are fully in an open market, once my grain passes through the grates it is someone elses... but when things get ****ed up we still pay.

Maybe the commercial agreements are actually between the Handlers and Transporters, but ultimately its primary producer's hides that will get tanned. Maybe until the actual owner of the grain, Grain Cos, can get retribution from the source of the problem nothing will change.

How the **** has this become our problem in the open market!!!!!

[bucket]

Because there isn't an open market on the railways side.

Cars should be bid for. If the railway doesn't deliver then the demurage at the coast is the railways dime.

There is a revelation.

[Hopalong]

See a couple of bucket's suggestions on right track (no pun).
Cars should be bid for, does this mean shippers would pay whatever they thought it worth to get them when they want?
Emerson review recommends giving CTA as much and even bigger role than United States surface transportation board over railway monopoly powers. Would this be accepted as a trade off for changes or end to MRE?
On other suggestion that we stop discussing the subject, think that is about the worst thing to do.
Think Richard Gray exaggerates direct farmer losses from 2014 shipping problem but it may cost us even more from lost customer confidence and our inability to supply markets in the future.

[farmaholic]

If someone can guarantee Primary Producers wont be the ones paying for the inefficiencies of the system go ahead and remove the MRE.

It will be easier for the Handlers to recoup any loses for poor RR service from the source they buy their grain from than the customer they sell to. Easier to pay less(to producers)in future deals than ask for more money(from buyers) in future sales when the Buyer can shop the world and not pay for a dysfunctional system.

How will we be protected

I also think Bucket is right when he continually brings up a true costing review. A lot has changed, maybe endless years of rubber stamped increases in the rate cap formula need to be assessed.

[bucket]

Ignore my post if shows up I hit the wrong button. My thoughts are not complete and was starting over but ****ed up.

[tweety]

Even a willing government can't make a change. The previous gov was willing, they just legally couldn't do a single thing.

Bucket, no matter how much you type, it won't change the fact there will be no change. The lawyers will always win.

[Hopalong]

Another question for bucket and farma, would CTA also do costing reviews on rail shipping of other commodities?
Would prefer continent wide policy that applies to all railways but see difficulty in getting politicians on both sides of border to co-operate.

[bucket]

Hopalong

I have always thought there should be a north American solution to move resources like railcars around to where they are needed.

Different harvest windows would allow it. And getting access to the Mississippi would be possible.

But it would take joint running and lower interswitching costs.

Government intervention would be required because none of railways are looking out for the economy. Even though their profits might soar with more freight to move.

As far as the cta being involved I still question why 100 tonne capacity railcar would have a different rate for different commodities.

A unit trains of potash is the same pull as a unit train of canola wheat or lentils ....all around 10000 tonnes.

[farmaholic]

Hoppy, I was thinking about posting that thought, about the cost difference between Ag grains and other similar type freight.

Who would know and are we prepared for the difference if other commodities get charged higher freight.

Broken record...who would pay for the additional freight...

[sawfly]

tweety how can you say that the previous govt. was willing to do something?
the Mulroney govt. signed away any national powers in NAFTA.
same people .

you tie your own hands , then bitch your hands are tied.

the liberals are no f ing better, sell off
cn to private hands , and pretend it will some how be competitive market place.

what is the matter with these people?

The USA at least has the sense to keep the Mississippi as a public utility.

not here. no no no , we have to have a totally non competitive market place.

and in spite of that , govt.s pretend one exists. (esp. Conservative,)
( market solution , my ass)

the liberals on the other hand are so
in la la land that the topic never comes up. great help!

central planning , the thing that makes resource starved countries rich.

totally non existent here.

the free market political parties create everything but one .

[stonepicker]

Central planning certainly didn't make the soviet union or cuba rich did it? On the other hand when china allowed free enterprise their country has thrived.

[bucket]

Name a few free market companies in canada that have had no government help?

[stonepicker]

I'm sure it could be argued that every business in north america has been subsidized at some point either directly or indirectly. Do you call that central planning bucket?( If a business receives some form of subsidy? ) I don't.

[riders2010]

Brainwashing has occurred here to the point where we all believe that everything private is good, regulations are always terrible etc etc. but the reality of that is the people with the most cash control everything including governments when you go to far and that is exactly where we are and in the states its why semi lunetics like trump are given a chance. The everyday person in the USA wants to be heard and I think we re not far from that here its just gone too far with the puppets.

How much oil subsidy has the oil industry received compared to ag?
I think Parsley had some info on that quite a while back.