Only three...count em...three responses

[chuckChuck]

Where is the business case for GM alfalfa? Why are industry players allowed to release gm crops without a full market impact analysis? GM alfalfa will show a strong negative impact because the benefits are so small for very few and the market loss high for many.

Allowing single players to come in and cause considerable market damage because they can make a buck for them selves is very short sighted.

If any single business did this to themselves they would fire the CEO and the Board of Directors for incompetence.

This is the heighht of stupidity.

Farmers should consider lining up a class action lawsuit for the economic harm this will cause.

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If you just would have policed your industry, and not just sell any inseparable shit out the door, just think how much support you would have.

[oneoff]

The biggest irony in calling for a farmer class action suit is that some of the contributing factors in widespread harm are often precipitated by those who call for monetary damages.

If there were no compelling reasons for the advantages of the product...not one pound would be sold. Thus no need to be discussing court action.

Just as with the demise of the CWB because of the real and perceived arbitrary administration that favored certain regions; certain classes of farmers and types of production methods and denied competition which with the touted advantages should have made both competitors stronger.

Without widespread support; its a futile battle to call for class action suits.

There are now about 7 unique responders to the GM protocol. Its becoming evident that not one of that puny number has read the protocol in its entirety. And the vast majority will never hear of the problem; and certainly never read what the discussion is about.
Everyone Myself included) has done more harm than good in attacking support amongst the mainstream farmers who repeatedly demonstrate that only a handful will ever support any worthy cause that does not strike directly to the heart of their present operational situations.

And for that reason I have some time ago concluded that only a group of maybe 2 to 4 people whose word you would trust with your life should be involved in any fight.

Larger numbers almost surely contain the odd saboteur; or person(s) who would split from the consensus arrived by the group for the purpose of using information for their addition gain. Or someone not truthful in maintaining the sanctity of discussions agreed to remain privileged. What such traitors will never realize is the damage they may created to the rest of the group; and more importantly fail to ever see how trust is forever lost when support is need for the next fight. The JUST Gathering information trick after the group concensus was reached though fully democratic processes reached is a traitorous act and can not be forgiven.

I suggest that before anyone join a class action such as now called for; closely investigate past behavior of the other members with whom you may join forces.

The prospect of succeeding when it is not arguable that roundup ready events have been approved in all of Canada for decades is also very important. And with the suspect (and sometimes outright bogus science published as fact) reportedly and seemingly designed to ban every chemical herbicide (and insecticide and seed treatment) maybe less total harm will be done if Monsanto continues to have it way at regulatory levels.

The alternative may be more scary...and with the current momentum; all consumers need is a label that no animal was harmed and nothing was added.

[chuckChuck]

Checking. Do you really have the facts or are you making this up on the fly?

I can tell by your tone you have already decided you know everything.

I think before you make wild accusations against anyone, you should make sure you know what you are talking about.

Unless you are in the alfalfa seed business you probably don't know that well done, alfalfa seed cleaning will remove what were once considered inseparable seeds in many cases.

Your other assumptions about where products are likely sold and used is totally wrong because you don't know that unless you are running the business. You probably don't even realize there is a large alfalfa seed sprout market.

Anybody who is sensible and responsible requests a full seed analysis on purchasing alfalfa and the seller won't be able to market product that doesn't meet specifications that are required. Some farmers may not do due diligence because they are too busy and don't care.

Did you get the full seed analysis report when you last seeded alfalfa or grass? Do you have a seed analysis on all your farm cleaned seed? Because if you don't, then you could be planting noxious weeds.

[chuckChuck]

The real solution to this issue is an independent cost benefit analysis and legislated economic and environmental impact analysis done before products are approved for sale.

Even though it makes business sense to to do a cost benefit analysis many farm groups argue against them because decisions should be only "science based". Largely these are groups that are very pro GM crops and think the market should decide everything. Many of the food crop organizations have rejected GM crops because of market issues.

Any industry/business that is competent always does a cost benefit analysis.

Class action suits are a last resort when all other avenues have failed. Farmers are usually too disorganized and independently minded to organize one.

[oneoff]

Quote White cockle causes seed purity issues in timothy, alfalfa and clover because seed growers find the seeds impossible to clean from the crop. UNQUOTE

Thats the story in a nutshell. Just because anyone repeats otherwise is just an indication of denial on their part.

Alfalfa doesn't compete wellat all. The situation continues to deteriorate for years at the rate of some 24,000 additional similar sized and similar shape seeds per plant (as the alfalfa seed being grown) . Thus the definition of an inseparable seed.
Geezy Kris. Don't listen to those who can't even admit undisputable facts.

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I've seen the facts growing, I've heard the facts, and I've touched the facts.

Since you are a tree hugger, why don't you walk by in a month, or two and taste and smell the facts.

Better yet, rent a conference room upstairs, and talk to yourself.

[oneoff]

Maybe first one needs to know what a weed seed is.. but I really don't have any desire for entering that discussion.

And it sure looks like a cost to benefit analysis showed it wasn't worthe the trouble to separate inseperable seeds.


There is now a permanent problem for both future land owners and the whole area with a well established noxious weed problem.

Clip on?????

[chuckChuck]

Okay you guys are right I am wrong. The world is black and white. You know everything and I know nothing. You have the true facts, mine are just made up. Everyone elses opinion or world view doesn't matter. As long as everyone agrees with you you're happy. There is no room at your inn for non-believers.