TOM4CWB, So let me get this straight, according to you, what we want in AB, is 60,000 farmers, running back and forth to 6 or so grain companies, marketing our grain. Or for those with computers, deals being made via the internet, (missinformation highway) into international markets. Deposit my cheques in a numbered Swiss bank account and I'll keep farming away here in AB and feeding the world while at the same time making a huge profit. Reality check here guys, IT WON'T WORK, the lowest price will become the norm!! For the record, the Alberta Barley Commission from day one was created to trash the CWB, R & D was a front to the outfit, talk about CORRUPTION. At meetings they tell us about the benefits of barley, bit deal, we know, GO TELL SOMEBODY ELSE FOR A CHANGE don't keep giving me baking hints.
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CharlieP; I understand the CWB use of accredited exporters, in some countries like South Korea there was one door in and it was through a "Multi" Now Tom4 CWB;If you truly believe the ADM, Cargills,Bunges would not win in a buying show down up against a bunch of under capitalized prairie wheat farmers, I would like to speak to your Econ.101 prof Secondly the only way that grain would not be exposed is if the USDA (cia) statistics branch is disbanded. Not likely. So you have about two pricing supply cyles before they blow your grain the hell out of the water for screwing up their price. You don't seem to fathom that we have no reason to ship any grain off the continent if we could force it south. Now ask yourselves who keeps it from all going south and as LBJ would say "pissing on my rug". Two guesses you've already wasted one. Do you think we would be able to hold the line on price and keep it out. Yeah right like Alberta cattle. WE HAVE NO BOTTOM ON PRICING no big fat farm programs, it has to go. Us guys that can plant a crop out of our chequing account are about to retire so inputs would be due Oct 1st. So grain glut Sept25-Jan 1, then let's kill that SOB's from down east Cash Advance program too. Are you getting that warm feeling in your nose Yet? You know what the result of all these actions would be, as well or better than I do. Throw in some harvest disorderly marketing on top for good measure to drive the price a little lower. Then all you good ol-boys can check with one of your favourite feedlots what day you can deliver and if you could just get a little cash now to keep the fuel man happy. I like surprizes like the next guy, but nothing you have said here would give surprizing results.
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Henbent;
Get your head out of the sand!
I contracted $10/bu for my HEAR for 03, and $9.50/bu for 04, no risk to me, all I can grow, through CanAmera.
Canola, barley for DOmestic consumption, Peas, Lentils, Flax, Canary Seed, in fact the majority of the grains we grow in the "designated area" in tonnage....
ARE NOT MARKETED through the CWB at all.
These non-board markets are growing, whilst the CWB shrinks... for one very good reason!
These non-board markets show us the money, not only show it, they pay us.
TALK is extremely cheap for the CWB... the CWB talk is extremely expensive for us... we pay for the brainwashing think alike PR, and then get a dollar a bushel less than what the PR promises!
Give your heads a shake guys!
How on earth could we sell our Canola and flax for over $10/bu in the fall of 02, if the market actually worked as your economic's profs claim it works!
I really think your Profs should enter the real world... instead of being weedy vegetation that needs a good cleaning and tilling up.
IMHO it is Too bad the seeds these Profs have planted have germinated... and are bearing fruit... resulting in weeds and trash... not helpful at all to building profitable communities for us or our Country!
This only goes to prove one thing...
The release of just a little biased and manipulated info... is a VERY dangerous thing!
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Yes, Henbent, get this straight.
Organic farmers are among those making deals on the internet, the mis-information highway as you put it, and are getting their cheques deposited in bank accounts across the world. It's how they built an entire organic industry, from the ground up, silly old farmers, with no consultants to offer a business plan , and no government money to kick it off. No experts and no Wheat Board marketing, thank goodness.
This will be difficult for you to grasp, but organic farmers actually do business with companies around the world, often never meeting. There has been enough of a trusting relationship between the growers and the processors to build an industry! Can you imagine? The growers don't consider their buyers, be it a housewife or General Mills, as "the enemy"; rather they look upon them as an integral part of the food business. There are some flops, of course, but generally speaking, the results speak for themselves.
Is the lowest price the norm? Obviously not, or the farmers wouldn't keep growing, they would switch to conventional growing. It has to be a symbiotic relationship. Is the price good? Organic contracts for brown flax this week are around $26.00/bushel with those horrible, greedy buyers paying the freight and the cleaning charges. Golden flax this week contracts for over $42.00/bushel with the same freight and cleaning deal.
What's the good part about this? If the grower feels he is getting the bottom price, he can refuse to contract, and look for another buyer, now or in the fall. Options.
These aren't baking hints, for you henbent. They are hints in reason and logic. Are you able to understand them?
Parsley
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Just to clarify some of the comments, there is an opinion the Alberta domestic feed barley market doesn't function as an effective pricing mechanism? What value does the CWB provide the feed barley market in pricing signals? What benefits does the CWB provide to malt barley?
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Parsley; to be fair and I totally agree about the positive relationships that are building with direct marketing, via the internet etc. They are now and for the foreseable future will be boutique markets. The amount that is allowed under direct marketing in Ontario, last time I looked was cumulative only 150000 tonne on a first come first served basis. That is less than my local elevator handles in a year5.5mbu. for the whole province so it is fairly hard to make direct comparisons of what we could achieve. Now this may have changed but in all these points let's consider the tonnage. charlieP in a market that is 'short'(CWB)looks to have less influence, and in the past when it was 'long' they could have easily had more, and relinquished it, out of fear of causing shortages. It took them a long time to accept that feed grain in Alberta was price elastic. With regard to Malt it goes back to market developement, they do a good job, and as compared to POOLS or AGRICOREUNITED they don't own a variety so they are an 'honest broker'. (tom4,if you will allow that is used in the generic sense here).
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Feed barley - Domestic consumption (prior to the drought years) - 10 MMT and growing with the challenge in Alberta to grow more. Chance of the CWB ever exporting feed barley again outside years of super low domestic prices is somewhere between zero and none. The issue in barley is arbitrage with outside markets and the ability to sell when export prices suggest. This will never happen in the current system (i.e. get farmers to contract based on poor market signals and then the CWB goes hunting for markets).
You will have to spend a little more time explaining your comments on malt barley. I will grant market development is a key issue. This could just as easily be handled outside the CWB. Further, the variety requirements have mainly been set by the customer. A case in point is the markets preference for herrington in spite of its agronomic problems. It is the grain companies that have brought forward and presented new varieties to customers. They are also the ones who have provided the horsepower to move barley forward from the farm (supply seed, do the selecting, segregate, get loaded on a ship.
You didn't mention price on malt barley so I will bring up. How does the CWB price to customers? Could malt barley prices to customers for similar quality/variety malt barley be sold to customers for different prices on the same day? Malt barley to a North American maltster? A Chinese maltster? A domestic malster making a sale to Japan? A domestic maltster making a sale to Brazil?
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CharlieP; it would seem to me that the influence that elevators had on varieties was always negative, the best thing that has happened for malt lately is the merger of United and Agricore which made available three strong malts under one sales and promo group. It will take a collective movement to drive Harrington away permanently. Unlike some of the varieties promoted because they had bought it. They had held up as early saviours. Harrington should be not grown without a premium over other malts. The maltprice versus feed has become a quasi-premium, and in effect has carried this variety. Agronomicaly it should be long gone. How CWB sets prices I have no idea, and if they are price discriminating they would be living up to American Expectations here. Which for all their blow, is exactly how they have and would do it. I think the next time the CWB have to defend themselves , they should uncover all the P.L. 480 pricing campaigns in The good old U.S.A., it would make good reading for some of you fellas that take an interest in the intrigues of the gain biz. Type it in your search boxes and pull up a stool, because it will uncover the ridiculousness of U.S. double standards. Maybe some old put out to pasture WCWGA directors with time on their hands could do like wise.
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parsley, The certified organic market is a tiny drop in the bucket. Good for them, if they have been able to sell a bushel,peck or two of flax via the internet. The smoking hemp market is huge too, but its against the law to grow it or possess it without a licence. I hear that it too has been bought and sold via the net. Apparently viagra is also bought and sold on the net, but a bit of fraud is involved in that market. Boy the sky is the limit in this open market world, don't yah think. What next, feed barley yeah right!!
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