On Verge of 6 month phase out period for glyphosate????

[biglentil]

Yes spread to thin with few that actually care

[agchat]

Silverback, cannot argue over open tractors, etc., but big difference you mention that, depends how far back you wanna go. First ten years or so when i started this is how it went. Finished seeding, took cows to pasture, yard work, played ball, and for us single guys chased women. On way home some day noticed someone spraying, went home dug old Malco, Pool, Versatile sprayer out of bush, used a few days then parked it back in bush till next June. See were i am going with this?

[biglentil]

And baseball bat doubled as a mixing stick. Sounds like some good ole days.

[Braveheart]

The loss of glyphosate would mark the start of the end of civilization. That thin 6" topsoil layer that supports life is at risk if not seeded to perennial forage or cropped using zero till (which relies on glyphosate).

Where the concern used to be wind and water erosion, research now shows that tillage erosion has the most detrimental effect on the soil.

What about the carbon footprint? The same dingbats wanting to ban glyphosate are screaming about global warming and carbon emissions. Yet, the farming system without glyphosate is carbon intensive.

Those hippie crackpots need different recreation than demonstrating against food systems.

[wmoebis]

You can bet there is a replacement chem sitting in the wings. Might be a little more expensive.

[agchat]

LOL Big Lentil, they were good old days. Very little spent on a crop, no stress. Other than putting up hay, had fun between seeding and harvest.

[oneoff]

Just remember that glyphosate is just the whipping boy in this present crusade.

One would think that there would have to be reputable evidence of significant health effects before anyone would make such damning claims about banning something that has grown to be a cornerstone of limited tillage and proven to be very important to maintaining prairie land organic levels.

Why pander to consumers who don't realize they are maybe 5%-15% away from food shortages. Why try to appease other nations who are obviously fixated on their private fussy eating habits; crusades of the current moment and government officials with their finger on the pulse of an electorate who could't feed themselves; fend for them selves or fix their toilet.
We're just months and at best short years away from production methods that the next generation has no intention of working to sustain and engage in.

Just sayin... thats from my perspective. Got no intention of producing food that is seen to be unhealthy...nor supplying anything for those who continue to plant the obstacles to supplying bulk food from what is still correctly called conventional agriculture.
Also like a whole lot of others face; someone better be lining up a new generation of farmers to displace country owned farms and the mega sized farms that start sowing in May and complain about some of their
thousands of acres always suffering from some malady or other.

And about next upturn may well be the opportunity for many to reduce the average age of current active farmers.
There's another alternative for those who don't need the lecturing nor the money that can apparently be used through various borrowing schemes at obscenely lo interest rates.
Or the moose and wildlife and bees and all Mother Nature's critters may just be given a chance to run their domain however they choose.

[grassfarmer]

..... We have broke up fence lines and funny there is a ridge of dirt about a foot or two higher. Yea tillage was a great thing. If this country would have been seeded continual from the time it was broke just imagine how big the crops would yield.

I'm sure the fencelines caught some blowing soil but I bet they also have a healthy crop of quack grass with extensive roots building soil. On the place I bought here the most productive field was the last one cleared from bush - the previous owner said it was cleared mid 80s and was still good because it hadn't been farmed that long - i'm inclined to agree. I don't believe for a minute that soils are improving expodentially under current farming practices.

The loss of glyphosate would mark the start of the end of civilization. That thin 6" topsoil layer that supports life is at risk if not seeded to perennial forage or cropped using zero till (which relies on glyphosate).

Maybe like the results of extremes of right wing and extreme left wing policies working out about the same - if Don Huber is right the current USE of glyphosate might mark the start of the end of civilization.

[oneoff]

And what evidence, pray tell would lead anyone to believe a Don Huber.

Its beyond doubt that as Dean Rennie said "Summerfallowing was the singularly most destructive practice affecting soil organic matter.
To have reversed that damage is extraordinary. I haven't heard claims of exponential increases in organic matter by anyone; and surely everyone would be more than satisfied if it can even be maintained whilst growing current levels of production.

Just stay away from that constant tillage or you'll be right back onto the track of burning that accumulated organic matter from over the last 10,000 years or so.

[checking]

It's not going to matter.

Trending on certain facebook news that is force fed if you show interest in such is CRISPR. Researchers can use a gene editing tool to exclusively modify RNA. Don't like the results, well it's reversible.

Only a few days ago, it was reported that they had a tool to do the same with DNA. That process was not reversible, and would change a species forever. Looks like any off the shelf scientist could now be considered a god, and instead of decades coming up with a new mode of action to control pests, diseases, whatever, the concern is solved in a month.

Now this should really get the Zeka (sp) headed, nothing but natural down my throat crowd worked up. But, there is a cure for that!

[Jay-mo]

Anyone else recall an article in Grainews about %om now compared to the 1870's when the prairies were broke up?
Average %om was like 15% compared to 3% now?
But let's ban glyphosate and bring back the horse and plow!

[furrowtickler]

Agree 100% with wmoebis
Same reason that clever is on shelf
They want no cheap Chem available to farmers period ...

[Braveheart]

Don Huber breaks down sobbing at the end of lectures, lectures which usually quote discredited scientists as well as non science dribble.

Do you really want to put your trust in someone like a Don Huber, or trust a proven farming system of conserving soil, fuel and other resources?

[grassfarmer]

Yeah, there has been quite the campaign waged to discredit Don Huber, no doubt funded by Monsanto and others. He was however a professor of plant pathology at Purdue for over 30 years, so his knowledge of the subject is obviously far beyond that of anyone posting on Agriville.

[Braveheart]

It was an organic farmer from Ontario who felt disheartened after attending 2 of his lectures.

The trouble,with professors, emeritus or otherwise is they live in classrooms and small test plots. Out here on the plains where the wind howls, rain pours and bankers stalk like wolves, professor's thoughts don't mean shit. We do what we can to keep soil at home and money in our pocket rather than give it fuel companies and cultivator shovel dealers.