question for klause ?

[Guest]

have you mixed ams with liberty yourself ?

[Klause]

Yes. Always do it. Can't get cleavers or thistle otherwise and my fields aren't always the cleanest to start with

[Braveheart]

I'm not Klause, but we amend our water with 20L of AMS per 1000 gal when using Liberty. Much better results. Liberty works like it did when it first came out.

[Guest]

or anyone ? I am my wits end trying to make that miserable shit work ? 1.65 liter /ac twice , 10 gals /ac . about every second time , may as well sprayed water on it after a week ?

[Guest]

thanks brave , how bout you klause , how much do you put in ?

[Braveheart]

First trip we apply Assure (40 acres/case) mixed with 1.35 L/acre Liberty. AMS in first, then Assure, Liberty, Suremix.

We use Assure for a boost on grassy weeds and especially foxtail barley. Less than $5/ acre for Assure.

Next Liberty pass 1.35 again.

[Braveheart]

Water volume we use is 12 gal/acre. 1000 gal tank does 80 acres.

[Guest]

thanks again !

[farmaholic]

Do you guys use ams in both well and surface water?

Total hardness of the Dept. of Highways dugout water we use is 540 (CaCO3 equivelant) or 31 grains, our deep well is at 874 or 50 grains.

What about suspended organic matter(TDS?), surface water isn't as "clean" as well water.

[biglentil]

Is that a spray grade ams or regular liquid fert Ams? Regular supplier does not stock it at all.

[crusher]

I find smaller droplets are key. 10 gallons with large droplets doesn't work. We use twin nozzles. Sunny and 24 helps too. I had amazing results last year at 1 l/ac with centurion. Made a calculation error and thought i was going to have a wreck but was clean. Strong crop competition helped.

[Klause]

I put way more in 1 gal an acre of fert grade.


Horizon blairs and coop all stock spray grade ams.


15 gpa at 110 psi with twin nozzles. Agree with brave coverage is key. Also do like he does and mix assure in. Don't like clethodim and reserve it for flax.

[Braveheart]

Normally we use spray grade AMS. This year we had 500 litres of liquid fertilizer AMS left over that we have been using. We haven't noticed any difference in control.

Everyone here uses well water.

[Guest]

crusher , i was thinking of using twin nozzles also , I have twin 04guardians that have no drift control about 80 psi at 10gpa , medium droplets , wonder how that would work ?

[Jay-mo]

From what I understand Liberty was once a 10L jug, with instructions to add your own AMS. Then enough farmers ignored the label, didn't add AMS, didn't get good control and were filing complaints...(surprise
So Bayer added AMS to the Liberty and went to the 13L jug to keep it simple for us dumb farmers.
Anyone know if that's correct?