Ligno Humate

[dingdong]

Long time reader first time caller! I know this has been mentioned earlier primarily by furrowtickler and Klause. Was just wondering if you have used this stuff in a situation where root rot has begun to set in on field peas. I'm thinking that's what's goin on, but not 100% sure. Crop is yellowing up, looks like it's struggling to fix nitrogen. Really wish I hadn't cheated by skipping the seed treatment. At this point I think that is the missing piece. Any thoughts and feedback would be appreciated.

[Klause]

We put humalite on with the seed treatment. You need to see if it's root rot or if it's struggling rihzobia. If it's the latter some foliar alpine and lignohumate would help. If it's the first it's a lost cause no coming back from root rot I don't think...

[farmaholic]

From my understanding, seed treatments only go so far. Once their time is up and if root rot sets in or conditions are still, or become conducive, you're out of luck. I can't speak to ligno humate.

Ours are still ok, I think. Maybe its time to dig afew up, wash off the roots and look for symptoms before above ground symptoms appear. Not that it would change anything but it would be interesting.

At what node stage do peas generally start flowering? There is a mass of tiny "stuff" at the growing point. They've been in for about 50 days but that can't be counted when they could have been laying in the ground 2weeks before emergence and then a possible herbicide shock delay. Must be close to 10 nodes....have to have a way closer look, not from the road at 100km/h. But they do look "decent". (trying to exercise a level of humility).

[furrowtickler]

Agreed , once root rot has set in it's too late . If it stays wet save your money.
If you dig plants in those areas you will find the root system shot with no nodulation and mushy main root - it's done .
The only thing remotely helpful is to try to prevent it right from the start.
Rotation , fertility , safe herbicides and pre burn to prevent crop injury and sadly not mud

[furrowtickler]

Any combination of two or more of the above going wrong and your chances of root double each time

[farmaholic]

I want a dry spell...please don't shoot me!
Holy crap does it cool off when the sun sets(;-)too close to June 20th?)!

[farmaholic]

Here are pictures of our peas. The really bad ones are BY FAR THE EXCEPTION, very small patch that is sick but I think I am beginning to see browning off of the roots of the healthy plants. The 8X11 paper in the one picture is for height reference. If they are going to slowly deteriorate it would be a shame, such a nice stand at this point.

[farmaholic]

One more close-up.

I saw one flower and was thinking about going in soon to spray them for ascochyta/mycosphaerella.

Am I wasting my money?

[farmaholic]

Pics posted through New Agriville, will have to log in there to see them, sorry for any inconvenience.

[farmaholic]

furrowtickler?

[Klause]

I'd go work down the very bad spots, and then apply a half litre to a litre of lingo, a litre of energize pulse, and full rate of acapella to the rest…

Just my opinion, but I think you have a good crop coming and they can grow thru that provided the soil dries up a bit.

[furrowtickler]

Sorry took night off - lol
Klause has the right idea.

[farmaholic]

FAAAACK, it is going to kill me to tramp through that sea of green. Does spraying for ascochyta/mycospharella really pay when root rot could slowly decimate them.

Root rot, fusarium head blight and schlerotinia all originate from soil surface or below the soil... good luck with that assault!!!

It was sure different here last year, too dry to do anything, this year seems like a year you won't be able to, or afford to, do enough!!!

[Klause]

On the sclerotinia side contans wg probably the vest bet this fall for next yr

[dingdong]

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen. These peas are in pretty awful shape in our area, mine included. Got another healthy dose of moisture Saturday night - although it wasn't so healthy for the peas. Wind yesterday and sun/wind today seemed to help them bounce back somewhat, but there are certainly some lost acres. I'll wait these out I think, because they do seem to be responding to sunlight and better growing conditions. It won't be a bumper, but I hope they can still put a meal or two on the table.