Strange ...

[furrowtickler]

Just looked at weather site - says calm for wind , first time all year and most herb spraying done - murphies law - lol
Sucks cause now after all the winds and drift damage there are a lot of messes to be dealt with.
Like Mother Nature taunting us

[farmaholic]

I thought this thread title was going to discuss me.

[Guest]

It still can farma!!! Just kidding!

Yes it is a very nice spray day but we are done herbicides. Now just deciding on fungicides and foliar fert for certain fields. Pretty dewy every morning but everything looks good with minimal disease. Weather is supposed to be warm so should have good growing conditions.

[farmaholic]

....must be my narcissistic personality disorder tendencies shining through! Must be!

[farming101]

Not quite done. Expect a little more wind until.

[tweety]

4G, why not just put the fertilizer in the ground? Leaves aren't really made for absorbing fert, but roots are.

[furrowtickler]

Tweety tell that to guys guys loosing crop right now - that don't pay bills

[tweety]

But why spend money on something that gives little to no return? Isn't that just double bad then?

How are they losing crops?

[JDGreen]

Put it in the ground and go camping, surfing and fishing with the kids. Pissed around with foliar for years. Did this trial and that trial, melted urea, blew G22 around, did this and did that wearing out a expensive sprayed. Best decision ever to man up and started put it all in the ground a few years ago. She's a done deal when it's seeded. Planes booked and heading to the River. Life's to short to run around with foliar this and that all of June and July. Each to their own, however i Could care less anymore.

[RTK]

JD Green - well put application cost adds up. I have slowly increased fertilizer rates. I am now at enough fert placed at seeding for what I consider a slightly above average yield. I will continue to add a pound or two every year til I think yeah that's enough. At the point where a small side banding opener is no longer an option for dry fert and have to look at other options. Wish I could just book the plane for fungicides/bugs. Probably should but toe that is easy acres to cover - real no drift concerns and I can cover 1000 acres easy a day or nite - in-crop I am only 700 acres because I am moving and always figuring out where I can go next so I do not cause harm to neighbour.

[Guest]

We are trying the foliar for a few reasons. We run some marginal land, not a pile of dollars tied up if something goes bad (hail, 6" rain event, etc). Can always not apply it and it wont go bad for the following year. We put what we feel is a decent starter package for our land (what I want to spend and can afford without having a heart-attack). Have you guys every heard of phil needham? Some really interesting thoughts regarding growing wheat. Which I apply a little of those thoughts to other crops. I also think there is merit in having a healthy plant through stage feeding to help fight disease instead of putting a small amount of fungicide on per acre as a preventative measure (have you ever thought about how much 200-300ml per acre is). You guys are getting sucked into the whole industries BS.

[JDGreen]

Bullshit 4G ... I have some marginal land as well.. Combat that with VR at seeding. Like i said NOTHING has given the return on investment than actually setting VERY aggressive yield targets and actually putting the needed macros in. I have done all the feed it with a bloody spoon bullshit years ago. End result far less than what I'm growing now. Tissue tests are finished in early durum and no deficiencies. River time baby ..

[tweety]

If i could echo JDGreens comments i also say Bullshit. Every trial stretches and stretches the truth just to see a tiny difference.

Leaves primary functions are not to take in nutrients, that is what the root is for. Your feeding the wrong end of the plant! In the case of wheat yield is basically set by 3rd or 4th leaf determined by the fertility in the ground and growing conditions.

Even side dressing at flag leaf, there is most times not enough moisture to get the fert to even get to the plant in time to fill.

So the message topic does fit, strange. Strange that farmers can't crack open a biology of plants book and would rather drive in circles wasting diesel, burning off leaf tissue, and waste time rather then just upping the fert a bit when they seed.

Strange.

But i'm sure some do it because they see magical yield and protein gains. The same guys that add all sorts of things to roundup. Speaking of that the latest i heard is these "innovators" are adding Assure to roundup for roundup canola. Stupidest idea ever. The surfactant burns the leaves, hurts the canola, is costly, and absolutely completely unnecessary.

Strange indeed.

[Guest]

Hey guys, I understand where you are coming from but want to do my own trials with it. As far as the wearing out expensive sprayers, do you guys do any fungicide apps? If not then you got me but if you do then why not throw in some slow release fert in. I would like to hear from furrow as it seems he has done a little of both. I have a hard time believing that you just throw it down and are gone till harvest but hey, if you do good for you. We have haying to do so we are around the farm most of july anyways.

[boarderbloke]

Just wondering whether anyone is or has tried a seed placed blend, of your starter fertilizer and ESN to give the N needed at maturity to bump the protein?