Shouldn't the CWB go to jail?

[boone]

Kernel, do you mean to say you want to equate your little Boutique grain sale against the marketing of 10-15 million tonnes day in day out ebb and flow, come on think what you are saying. Even if all canola farmers would have the good sense to price at$10.00 , and god knows it was there plenty long enough, how long would it have lasted if they had got off their collective duffs? The real question here is how can a toll handler(line company) set prices. They don't except in the past tense, yes they use the market but are usually hedging risk. Does the term COST-PLUS mean anything to you. When was the last time a line co. ever made a market. The only one that comes to mind is LINOLA UGG. Where as the CWB worked in the 60s to develop the Durum market as you and I enjoy it today (Hercules Durum), Harder CPS White,(Vista) soon to come will be Hard White Wheat. Maybe if you would quit ankle bighting we could find middle ground sooner. The U.S. has the USDA doing the same thing on it's behalf. Let's not throw the baby out with bathwater. I have been upset with some of the CWB decisions too, but you sound like a political zealot when you carry on. just my opinion. BOONE

[parsley]

henbent,

You entered this discussion with:

"I think that the right guys went to jail during the CWB protests"

I wondered why why you would applaud seeing your peers being jailed and I thought perhaps you did not fully understand these issues:

That, in fact, the jailed farmers failed to report in writing, which, of course, is not presenting a CWB license.

That they couldn't present a CWB license because all Prairie farmers are automatically denied an export license.

That the CWB boys CLAIM you must do a buyback in order to get a license.

That the CWB ACT does not require anyone to do a buyback in order to get a license.

That the CWB boys have dreamed up this in-house licensing requirement in the backroom....but only for the West.

There seems to be a calculated evasivenes underlying your comments, henbent. You seem to be unable to acknowledge that one policy for the East and another for the West is unfair. And you will not concede that these two different policies governed by one Act cannot be either logical or legal.

You reply that you have no interest in buyback. You reply that you sell grain. Your comments are insincere.

Your reply indicates that the East doesn't do the buyback because the CWB is ultimately run by politicians. There's a glimmer of hope here because you got that right.

Your reply indicates that MP's straw vote can supercede the CWB Act. No no no, henbent.

But, after all these entries, the only argument you have presented in favor of not issuing export licenses to the West, is one that you robbed from our PM:

"I likes it like dat."

Parsley

[henbent]

kernel, So let me get this straight, I am now a preacher/commie, this doesn't work either like dictator/welfare bum. I get the impression that you are not only a master marketer, but simply a blowhard and full of --it. Remember the old saying, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing!!! You are hurting your cause when sinking to this level this is like the Alliance/PC guys that are hard at work vs one another. This adds nothing to the discussion except to p-ss me off!

[TOM4CWB]

Boone and Henbent;

GUYS... you are no better than Kernel... in fact you prove Kernel's point... why?

I posted this;

THE Ontario Wheat Board runs, for 2003...

Cash Pricing...

Pool Pricing...

Deferred Delivery Contracts...

Basis Contracts...

Minimum Price Contracts...

Direct Marketing Program outside the Ontario Board;

All at the same time... as much or as little of each option as an Ontario farmer sees the need to do on his farm...

President Webster of the Ontario Wheat Board said... why would you drive a car built in WWII when you could have the choice of driving high performance car... built in 2003?

NOW, instead of the CWB and yourselves respecting The Kernel's property... and my property...

You folks are calling us names.... which is not helpful... and does not force the CWB to provide marketing options equivelent to what Ontario wheat growers have avaliable to them... not even close.

I understand in 2002... over 70% of Ontario wheat was contracted and did not go into the Ontario pooling accounts.

This is the point.

THe Pooling accounts the CWB has are voluntary... according to the CWB Act and Supreme Court of Canada... yet the CWB will destroy us and themselves before giving us a reasonable choice outside the pooling accounts.

THAT is what this is all about...

Commercial farmers need modern marketing tools and risk management programs like Ontario Wheat farmers have demanded and received from their Wheat Board...

ANd Measner/Ritter would rather destroy wheat/barley growing in Western Canada... than to provide responsible alternatives that can and need to be provided to "designated area" commercial grain farmers!

ANd for that; IMHO; THEY SHOULD GO TO JAIL!

CHAIRMAN RITTER knows it too...

what's the sign...

CHAIRMAN RITTER won't even come to an CWB accountability meeting in his own district 4... on the Alberta side of the border!

AND CWB STAFF wouldn't show up to the District 2 CWB accountability meeting on March 3rd... cause they know they are breaking the law as well IMHO!

THe COURT of PUBLIC OPINION... has clearly spoken... and the CWB has not been serious about admitting they have not been telling the truth... to either of you, Henbent or Bonne!

[TOM4CWB]

I didn't explain "CWB Staff" as being CEO Measner, CHAIRMAN RItter, and legal council for the CWB... Bonnie DuPont in charge of COrporate Governance... and this was the intended meaning...

It is very unfair to Earl Geddes... and to farmers ...

...for the CWB to be so un accountable... at a CWB Corporate Accountability Meeting!

[TOM4CWB]

F.Y.I..

CWB Act

"Section 32. (1) The Corporation shall undertake the marketing of wheat produced in the designated area in interprovincial and export trade and for that purpose shall

(a) buy all wheat produced in the designated area and offered by a producer for sale..."

THis is the only way the CWB can buy grain for the pooling accounts...

If a producer "offered" it to the CWB...

THE CWB ACT does Not the authorise CWB's MEASNER/RItter to extort and confiscate it through economic blackmail and fraud!

[TOM4CWB]

Boone and Henben I'am sincerly sorry to to upset you boys and I'am sorry for any name calling. The reaction is what I wanted and to read myt information that might encourage you to further investigate the short coming of (the CWB.

Boone my market how ever small it might be is never the less the market,( and its an dam site better than the CWB market) and we can only imagine how big a market it would grow to be without the CWB discouraging value added industry in western Canada.

[parsley]

You are right, Tom4CWB. The CWB,legally, only has dibs on the grain that DA producers offer to them.

These jailed farmers didn't offer a bushel and they should not have been jailed for selling what they grow. Not legally and certainly not morally.

Kernel,I thought I was going to have to tie you up with henbent and leave both of you tied-up together like a pair of cantankerous old bulls.

Parsley

[henbent]

boone, Boy it is hard to preach/teach the fallen, they have their minds made up. This is going now where fast, thank goodness we remain in control. They ingnore the Crow, love the grain companies and railroads, trash the CWB at their peril. Wasn't it us that built the elevators that they tore down, tohelp us all be like the US. Grain companies and railroads look ONLY at the bottom line. If the new way of thinking doesn't work, they'll bail again and start selling frilly undergarments, if there is money to be made. These guys are business people manipulating us to their ends. AB Ag offices close, the salespeople can get closer to us and low and behold their products and tech answers, which come at a cost will solve our problems u betchaa! Tnx boone for your common sense.

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent and Boone;

Ontario wheat growers have a fully transparent market... and production has almost doubled is the past couple of years...

AND the Ontario Wheat Board is more competitive, offering some of the most advanced risk management programs on the face of planet earth...

SO why shouldn't I have the right to market with the same type of marketing tools as the Ontario Farmer?

If Alberta is not a part of Canada... which I have understood in the past that Ontario was a part of... then please let me know... I understand we operate under the same consitution... again let me know if this is not the truth...

Henbent;

Boone;

Is it worth totally destroying and dismantling the CWB... rather than to allow modern risk management tools such as those offered to Ontario wheat growers by the Ontario Wheat Board?