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    Darrell and tom4CWB,
    These exerpts are from a Canadian Alliance newsletter titled PAUL MARTIN WATCH and dated March 6, 2003

    QUOTE
    Since 1993, Canadians have been led to believe that Paul Martin had severed his day-to-day ties to his vast shipping enterprise, Canada Steamship Lines. We were assured that there could be no conflicts between Mr. Martin’s public duties and his private interests because everything was in a blind trust.

    Unknown to Canadians, however, Paul Martin received regular briefings on CSL business, and his so-called blind trust was actually a special “Supervisory Agreement” that allowed him some disclosure of information related to his assets, company operations and CSL transactions. Instead of a blind trust we got an ethics framework that blinded the public and not the minister. That’s wrong.

    Paul Martin has to decide where his first loyalty will lie if he becomes prime minister – to his private financial interests or to the interests of the people of Canada. He cannot be the CEO of the country and a hands-on CEO of a half-a-billion dollar shipping empire at the same time.

    This issue has nothing to do with Paul Martin’s money or the place of entrepreneurs in Canadian politics. It has everything to do with the possibility of conflicts of interest and the impossibility of separating oneself from such a large and far-reaching family business.

    To put this in context, here are some facts about Paul Martin and Canada Steamship Lines:

    Background

    * Paul Martin and his wife Sheila are sole proprietors of a private, non-publicly-traded, family business called Canada Steamship Lines.
    * This personal business empire is a conglomerate of 47 companies with a fleet of 37 ships. The fleet is larger than the entire Canadian navy, and CSL is the largest operator of self-unloading ships in the world.
    * In March 2001, the CSL Group’s assets were valued at $693,388,000 with total annual sales of $283,181,000.

    How CSL Intersects With Government

    * CSL is so big, Paul Martin would have to withdraw from Cabinet deliberations on any matter relating to shipbuilding policy, marine transportation, VIA Rail, the St. Lawrence Seaway, corporate taxation, customs regulations and many, many more topics.
    * They might as well install a revolving door on the Cabinet Room.

    CSL’s Foreign Operations and Practices

    * When Paul Martin purchased CSL in 1981, the company conducted its affairs in Canada, employed Canadian crews, and built ships in Canada. Over twenty years later, most of CSL’s affiliates are primarily located in Barbados, Bermuda, and Liberia.
    * In Liberia, CSL pays a flat tax of $350 (US) a year. Bermuda has no tax on revenues. Barbados offers a decreasing tax rate from 2.5% to 1%.
    * In 1989, CSL began to reflag its fleet. Foreign crews do not receive the same salaries or benefits as their Canadian counterparts and, when employing foreign crews, shipowners do not have to abide by the higher Canadian marine safety standards.
    * Recently, CSL shipbuilding has taken place offshore, primarily at the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai, China. This despite a Government of Canada report calling for a revitalization of our home-grown shipbuilding industry which has been battered by foreign subsidies and unfair trade practices.
    UNQUOTE


    The reason I posted this unforgiveably long information is because I want to ask the question, With all the grain that is shipped via CSL, can the the CWB's Goodale be truly working in the interest of farmers?

    Parsley

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      Parsley;

      IF you ask me... I would be much more comfortable with John Manley than Paul Martin as PM...

      Martin's management of CSL show just how sly and slick he really is... just what a poor corporate citizen his empire is... by re-flagging his ships and ordering new ones from China...

      THis is obviously in the interests of the Martin EMPIRE... and not for the good of our Country.

      Goodale keeps Martin's boats busy... as much as they can get away with at least!

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        Parsley; In a way, we have grown up in a prearranged marriage with a CWB husband that makes all the demands and doesn't respect the individual wishs of his wife the farmer. When there is serious accountability problems such as we see, I am leary of doing business with someone who doesn't spend time and see the needs my family or my kids need to survive and become a healthy farm family. We are locked into doing business with CWB with their agenda, with wheat and barley sales but with my experince last year, I found the "Rods" or any other discussions I have atttemped have ended up with someone elses agenda being served instead of what should have been my own.

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          Darrell, I'm glad you have reached this conclusion using experience AND reason. Quite a few guys inherited the idea of the Wheat Board and they are unable to examine it with a clear eye. A little like the guy who keeps his dry cow for seven years, but he can't ship her out because she's quiet and her mother was a really good cow. He keeps hoping for a good calf.

          What vexes me most is a flock of incompetents insisting upon centrally planning the business end of farming for producers, particularly when many of them were not financially successful on their own farms.

          I cute and pasted this quote from the Regina Leader Post, where Rod Flaman addresses his District and states:

          "A producer told me today he's very disappointed in me and I understand that," said Flaman. "That's why I'm bringing this information package here today to try to elevate those people to the level of understanding that I have, so they can understand why I changed my mind."

          You obviously are one of those producers who needs your thoughts elevated, Darrell! Flaman went from stridently preaching we should be able to sell what we grow to 'Put them in jail if they don't sell to the Board.' Can you think of a five figure reason why Rod Flaman would change his mind, Darrell?

          Parsley

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            Parsley and Darrell;

            Rod Flaman... justifies the unjustifiable...

            He justifies the admission that he has turned into a communist.

            This CWB situation is not a matter of economics... it is a state of mind... the choice to love one's neighbour as one's self... is not a choice of convenience... or about money.

            Loving my neighbour will cost me time;

            Loving my neighbour will cost me money;

            Loving my neighbour may even cost me my life... if I truly Love this person... more than my own life itself.

            If I Love my neighbour… I will respect this person enough to allow the freedom, and choice… for my neighbour to do what is inherent in being a human…

            The right my neighbour has to make decisions for his/her farm… without my interference… even if I “think” I have a better way!


            If I force my neighbour to relinquish his or her property… so I can combine that property with mine… so I can get more for my own property…

            Isn’t this the base of communism?

            Hasn’t it already been proven… in the end… it will fail… because it is based on greed… rather than respect?

            Rod Flaman... has turned respect for his neighbour... into controling his neighbour... so Rod can get more money for himself.... he imagines... in his head.

            The justification is that Rod "says" that he is getting more for his neighbour too... which of course can never be proven...

            In the end... THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS... which is the principal of Common Law... the the CWB code of COnduct... that Rod signed... as a CWB Director...

            AND HAS BROKEN this LAW to better his own position.

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              TO... Canadian people who care about Canada...

              Too bad our schools don't teach this basic information...

              And ... Just in Case anyone from the CWB cares;


              III. DUTIES
              Duties for corporate directors emanate from common law obligations and the provisions of the statute or instrument under which the company is incorporated.

              THIS IS ON THE CWB WEB SITE

              http://www.cwb.ca/en/about/our_people/code_of_ethics.js

              III. DUTIES
              Duties for corporate directors emanate from common law obligations and the provisions of the statute or instrument under which the company is incorporated.


              NOW ... What are CWB "common law obligations"?

              1.The Common Law is based on the Golden Rule, which states;
              Do unto others as you would have done unto you,

              And the Negative Golden Rule, which states;
              Do not do unto others as you would not have others do unto you;

              2.The two fundamental principals of common law:

              ćDo not infringe upon the Rights, Freedoms or Property of others, and

              Keep all contracts willingly, knowingly and intentionally

              Common law maxims include:
              ćThat for every wrong there is a remedy,

              ćThe end does not justify the means,

              ćFundamental principals cannot be set aside to meet the demands of convenience or to prevent apparent hardship in a particular case,

              ćIgnorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law,

              ćTwo wrongs do not make a right, and

              ćOne can enlarge the rights of the people, however they cannot be taken away without their informed consent.


              Since the CWB Directors knowingly break the CWB Act... and their own Code of Conduct;

              Shouldn't someone go to jail... because the CWB has allowed this to continue to occur... for years...?

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                TOM4CWB, Paul Martin is going to be the next PM of Canada, that is a given. Bulroney fixed things for the PC's for a long time to come, although he did give us Kim, which showed how progressive they actually were. Now Stock did a good number on Reform, trying to do what he felt was the right thing, got him sued, and booted What does that leave, the Bloc and the Liberals. Common sense tells me that the Bloc won't work, unless we want Canada to break up, therefore the Liberals win again by default. But fear not in AB the PCs keep winning by default, for similar reasons.

                What crime is it that the CWB has committed, theft or fraud er what? Incompetence or stupidity is not a crime in Canada!

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                  1. Malicious prosecutions

                  2. Lying under oath

                  3. Knowingly lying to farmers


                  Parsley

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                    parsley, What malicious prosecutions are you talking about? Convictions were registered and upheld by the Canadian Courts, relative to recent CWB issues. What perjury are you referring to, when and where? Lying is not a criminal offence that I know of. Sorry, but a reality check is in order here!! I have the law on my side in this case. You talk the talk, but can't/won't walk the walk.

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                      Henbent;

                      Obviously the courts are not finished with this deal yet...

                      Further the courts have dealt with farmers using Quebec/French Administrative Law, instead of Commonwealth Common Law...

                      If this continues, Justice will turn to mud... which is dirty and infects people... just like the defence you have quoted for the legal right to continue CWB theft from farmers... in the name of government efficiency... that turns instead into corruption and graft...

                      If a government sanctions the CWB actions... they are still without common law legal authority...

                      Our country was built with hard work through co-operation...

                      Ottawa would have you believe they are responsible for Canadian wealth... which if we are to think for just a second... is of course false.

                      Canadian Wealth is created IN SPITE of what Ottawa has done, not because of "good management" by this CDN. government!

                      At least the Alberta Gov. is smart enough, most of the time, to understand these principals!

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