Shouldn't the CWB go to jail?

[henbent]

kernel, $8.02 for #1 HRSW is a good price, it is obvious that you are a good farmer, and marketer considering what a lousy drought year that it has been for many of us on the farm. I suspect that the $1.76 the CWB is holding back may be for a combination of reasons, ie admin costs, nobody does anything for nothing, there may be insurance involved and probably some handling fees. I guess the recent Auditor General's audit, would probably be a better place to find the answer to you question, I'm just an ordinary farmer. At this point I'd like to clarify one point that you've aluded to,
as a farmer I am not a welfare type, neither are the vast majority of my friends and neighbours. Terrible tough times do strike people though, even farmers, as proud as they might be and I don't think that you have a right to generalize saying that because farmers market via the CWB they are collecting welfare. You are STRECHING it a bit, and even a MASTER grower and seller should be careful not to sound stupid when making such a goofy remark. I hope my comments and pro-board stance don't keep you up at night!!

[parsley]

henbent,
You'e feeling your oats today, but I'd like to get back to issues again. After all, that is what fruitful discussion is all about. Issues. You are able to understand this issue, but you still haven't addressed it, so here goes again:


The CWB says the buyback is in the Licensing part of the Act.

The Licensing part of the act applies equally to all applicants throughout Canada.

If the buyback is where the CWB says it is, why isn't Quebec and Ontario doing the buyback?

Please don't change the subject again, henbent. Bite the bullet.

Parsley

[parsley]

Henbent: I guess you answered my questions the CWB charges away to much for their marketing expertise.

You are a very political acting person. You are insenitive to informed detail to effect change for the better. You answer questions in a generalized maybe it is this or that that is the cause of problems never any well informed answer to help understand why the CWB holds our hand to the fire.

CWB supporters actually gloat over holding confident and progressive farmers to the undemocratic single desk marketing.

It must make you feel real good to keep the young and most progressive farmers in the history of agriculture oppressed by the dictorial ways of the CWB.

Now the USA has hit the CWB with a trade duty on wheat. Thanks alot enlighten one. Keep on letting someelse look after your income, its called welfare.

[wedino]

Henbendt, It was you that eluded to “old folks”. In my reply I was to referring to ALL landlords, including retired farmers. My position remains unchanged, that being only active producers should be allowed to vote in cwb director elections. You are entitled to your opinion & I hope you respect mine, FWIW.

[dnach]

Kernel, I as well want all these questions answered, but no one will give a straight answer. I beleive that the wheat market should be wide open, the same as Canola. When someone gives me a logical answer why not, I may change my opinion. I am tired of, well if it was not for the CWB in the 40's ......We live in a new millenium where we market 6 out of the 8 crops we grow very successfully, now someone give me a straight up answer, why not Malt barley and wheat!

[henbent]

Kernel, Well the name calling has started, and the positions are entrenched to say the least. I can assure you that I am not wet behind the ears, nor am I on welfare. You win the CWB is bad, because you say it's bad, I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for the rest of us to jump on your band wagon. Us dictators can only be dethroned by the might and the right of the good old USA, from the looks of it. You can have your cake and eat it to while the rest of us, starve, and freeze in the dark!!

[parsley]

Don't ignore my question, henbent.

Parsley

[henbent]

parsley, I'm back, your worst nightmare!! First of all parsley, I've said it before and I'll say it again Que. & Ont. have been treated special by the Feds on many occassions in the past, because, that's where the votes are. I have little or no interest in buyback, I sell grain.

kernel, Boy you have been staying up late, maybe too late. You point out that I am a dictator and on welfare at the same time neither goes together methinks. If the CWB lost its monopoly it wouldn't be able to garantee quality or supply. I don't know where you market but I feel the open market would cause more risk in the long run. Hey you're a good marketer, keep going back for that wheat price. Where is it? A neighbour, a feedlot, no likely a seed farm this year. I often get further payments from the CWB later in the year too. I wouldn't like all the sales to be at discounts, but at times good customers need to be treated a bit special A bird in hand you know! Who is my grain company? AU bailed last summer, now they want to sell me inputs fat chance. Where should I go now? All are 70 - 115 mi. away grain co's can kiss my a--!!!!! I sell into the pool for various reasons, unlike you sometimes my grain isn't tops, blend stir everyone makes money. World price is what? I'm busy on the farm haven't got time, go figure. Canola market is in a jam now, price falling, GMO problem and green seed nowhere to sell. What will the open market do? Flour mills are getting grain, at least no shortages of quality flour on the shelves. EU subsidizes because they respect their farmers, want them on small farms, not in the city, they know what hunger is, WWI & II tough times. US "Freedom To Farm Policy" votes, cheap food, so people can spend on other stuff, repub. blue collar workers a lot are farmers.
Domestic millers are producing quality flour, they must have access to good grain. Have you had a bad doughnut lately? No not every farmer would head South, not practical in most cases, a lot would though, Greenbacks real money why not, till US stops them. They don't really need our grain. US markets rely on soybeans the last I heard, cheap good for you, they aren't crazy about canola and at any rate raise enough. The open market manipulates even more, ie Enron, Brex, et al crap going on recently on the exchanges. I don't have all the answers and specifics, but time will tell, then we can look back again and see our mistakes and LEARN from them. Long winded, lots of ground to be covered in this mess!! Go CWB go, keep up the fair work, at least your honest enough to pass an audit.

[henbent]

Henbent your CWB audit didn't do an accounting to see if the CWB was getting us a fair price or not. A fair audit would entail taking all the sales contracts the CWB made in a given year and compare that back to the world price which would be discovered at Portland Oregon as of the last few years. No such audit was done.

A fair price is what I'am looking for and I think I got the answer yesterday. The fair price is $8.00 paid by a flour mill for high quality wheat not $6.26 that the CWB is paying. If the CWB is not sell #1 or #2 wheat domestically at that price how much are they getting in the export market that we done see for a particular grade of wheat.

Insulting you helps to get some sort of answer from you. But you are an uninformed preacher for the Canadian Welfare Board. You better take sometime to do some information gathering on the markets because I'am getting tried of supporting your socialistic ways.

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

At the CWB accountability meeting in Red Deer last night we learn't a few things...

THE Ontario Wheat Board runs, for 2003...

Cash Pricing...

Pool Pricing...

Deferred Delivery Contracts...

Basis Contracts...

Minimum Price Contracts...

Direct Marketing Program outside the Ontario Board;

All at the same time... as much or as little of each option as an Ontario farmer sees the need to do on his farm...

President Webster of the Ontario Wheat Board said... why would you drive a car built in WWII when you could have the choice of driving high performance car... built in 2003?

Good question, isn't it Henbent?

BOY you folks sure were busy while I was at my meetings!