Shouldn't the CWB Go to Jail? Part II

[henbent]

Simple and childish of you Henbent.

[parsley]

henbent,

You must have taken a Masters of Evasion during your Grad studies, because you continually seem to evade the point or else you try to throw out a decoy to try and make the reader concentrate on a different point. Let's try again.


This thread is not about trying to accuse Ralph Goodale of personally stealing out of the pooling accounts for his own personal benefit. That's nonsense and you know it.

But the Wheat Board itself does steal out of the pooling accounts and Goodale is utimately responsible for their actions. He is aware that they are taking money out of the pooling accounts to pay for licensing costs even though the CWB Act does not allow them to do so. He has been informed of their illegal action and he is, "wilfully omitting to do anything that it requires to be done".

The CWB isn't following their own Act and Goodale is watching them ignore it.

He might be your "go-too guy", henbent, but he's straying from the legal boundaries constrained by the Act, the very Act he has taken an oath to uphold.

Parsley

[henbent]

kernel, Have you always been a jerk, or is it just me that gets under your hide?

[ianben]

henbent
You said "Marketing is selling, making a profit on what you produce"

How does the CWB do this for you?

Canadian farmers produce wheat which they feel is wanted and the CWB has to sell it wether a market exists or not.

The CWB just sells with no knowledge of your costs and no price fixed just looking for sales to move grain. No price being too low as it will be hidden by the average in the pool.

Instead of getting the best price it reduces the price to all farmers round the world.

Marketing is producing what we can sell for a profit and to do that we need to manage both the production and have control over the price it is sold for.

This is what most people fear about your CWB the large amount of UNPRICED grain in the hand of agents to whom price is irrelevent!!

[henbent]

ianben, The CWB sells some of my grain each year and I sell some of my grain each year. On our farm, we know when we are selling and making a profit on a commodity. Greed is not the only thing that motivates us simple folk. I am not prepared to sit around stewing about whether there was 5 - 10 cents, more. When I pull the trigger and sell, it is on my terms. We grow a variety of commodities and as such spread the risk. Our physical location, precludes us from becoming involved in the international trading of commodities. We depend on the CWB to be our international broker/seller to the world. They are in fact our ace in the hole. Since we have little or no subsidy support. Farmer directors at the CWB represent our interests fairly and with integrity on the world scene.

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

Wishing a problem will go away... and failing to admit it exists... does nothing to solve the obvious and clearly visible problems down at the CWB.

It is really too bad reality must shatter your faith in the CWB... as it shattered my faith in this institution.

I do hope that the CWB will stop what it has been doing... and start respecting all "designated area" grain producer's property... however I have a strong suspicion that the Federal government is the main force behind CWB problems... as the CDN Finance Dept. approves all business (through business plans) the CWB does... and CWB staff and Management are careful to never cross Minister Goodale... the protector of the CWB.

The CWB is all about the power of the CDN. government... not about how much western CDN farmers get for their wheat and barley!

[henbent]

TOM4CWB, The reality is that you and I disagree on what is good for the country. In your opinion, greed is good and to heck with everything else. On my farm a strong, orderly, market system, based on integrity and knowledge of the world marketplace is essential and vital.

[henbent]

kernel, Are you still there watching everyone? What is the matter with quoting a bit of case law now and then? Furstrating I know, but one has to remember that every story has two sides. The law is not Black/White, in each and every case, there is a lot of Grey area. Have you noticed lately that the PC's in AB, are always clamping down, tightening up, getting tough with going to enforce. They generally sound like Naz- stormtroopers that are running amuck!! Sound familiar to you?

[ianben]

henbent
Why do you see no problem with large quantities of unpriced grain in the hands of a broker/seller, your words?

How can CWB market efficiently when Canadian farmers produce so irratically?

Is CWB's job to make sure your bins are empty at harvest even if that means selling below your cost of production?

Why cant cash pricing and pooling be offered by CWB in the same way the rest of the trade offer me this choice?

I can cash price or pool anything I produce why do Canadian farmers not have this right?

Just what is this extra that your ace in the hole delivers?

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

I disagree that what I am asking for is based at all on greed... in fact I am asking for the opposite.

I am simply asking for my neighbour to have the right to sell or contract his farm's grain to the buyer of his choice... on the terms of sale that this neighbour deems to be in the best interests of his farm amd family.

I am sick of dealing with a pooling account... that you say makes you more money... and this in turn prevents my neighbour and myself from having reasonable terms and conditions for the sale of our grain... to make life more profitable for you... at the expense of my neighbour's farm and mine.

If you come to me and we choose to market together... and we can work out a reasonable contract that is win win for all of us... great.

But for you to insist that I should go to jail... so you can take life easy and not look after your own marketing responsibilities... and then to tell me I am the greedy one... is at least unfair!

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent: Lay down on the couch. Now how long has it been that you have had this fear of the truth. You refuse to answer everyones questions. You bring up unrelated case law. If you are sold on the CWB give us answers to our questions. Show us prove of the premium marketers abilities to get me the best price. Why all the foreign millers are so happy to deal with board should raise some suspicion of getting the best price in the world. Because of the CWB all DA producers missed an opportunity to price their wheat at $9.00/bus. last fall. On a normal crop year that little problem with pool accounting and single desk selling will cost me over $150,000 in income. Even in the last drought year it has cost me $20.000 so you can force your CWB on me. I'am tried of trying to convince people like you of the great injustice the CWB does to the freedom of producers in Western Canada.

But what do I know I'am just a jerk that build a 2000 acre farm in the last 30 years out of a $20,000 grub stake.

Your not Art Macklin are you?

[henbent]

kernel, TOM4CWB, ianben, In other words GREED is good in your neighbourhood. This proboard,antiboard position is all a matter of prespective. That which works for you doesn't necessarily work for us or our neighbours. ianben, commodities are big, bulky and expensive to ship at the best of times, the CWB makes their movement happen in an orderly way. We all share the expense. I trust the CWB is marketing our grain in a fair legal manner. kernel, so the law only works for you and yours, WRONG. By the way I am not Art, guess again!!

[parsley]

Actually henbent, you have indicated to us, repeatedly, that the reason you like the single desk is because, you claim, it makes you more money.

You want expenses to be divied up because... you claim it will get more money.

You live in an area where, you claim, transportation expenses become a burden, so you want CWB involvement, because you believe.....you'll end up with more money.

You want the Selling specialists at the CWB to act on your behalf, because you claim they will get you more money.

And then you accuse the farmers, who disagree with your personal ideology, of being greedy, with the underlying inference, as well as direct statements, that you, of course, are not.

You need to develop some consistency in your ideology, henbent. Either you are greedy or you are not. You can't claim you are not greedy and everyone else is, if the primary reason you give for supporting the CWB, is that you get more money.

After all, you don't want all the greedy farmers out here to think you are both greedy and a liar, do you henbent?.

Parsley

[henbent]

parsley, So you think I'm a liar, well I'll tell you something, at least I'm not a mushroom growing in the dark and being fed the BS, that you guys are shovelling. Making money is not being greedy, 5 - 10 cent marketing on the other hand, could be deemed as chiseleing and that is what I think your gang is, a bunch of cheap chiselers, intent on lining your pockets at the expense of the rest.

[TOM4CWB]

Henbent;

If I need to make a direct contract... with an end user of my Wheat or Barley,...

shouldn't this be allowed if I have the work ethic, skill, take the risk, and deliver what my end user requests, ...directly... without using any of "your" grades..., elevators, or any of your grain handling system anywhere in Canada...

I am asking that I need to able to do this... ...without... having to send you a hunk of my farm through the CWB?

Is this request unreasonable?