Doesn't any one else get sick of this?

[wedino]

Well Said northfarmer,

""but if a vote is what it takes then lets have one....a weighted vote based on acres or tonnes of historic production, weighted to the most recent years so it is actual producers voting in the designated areas of the CWB and with a clear and concise question, our freedom to chose how we market the production from our own operations.....""

[AdamSmith]

I don't know anyone who enjoys conflict, luvnlife. I don't like being in conflict with Agstar77 and I'm sure he would prefer not to be in conflict with me. But if you are passionate about something and you believe in it deeply you accept the fact that in order to achieve your goals you must endure the conflict that will arise when you stand your ground.

Luvnlife you asked who can't I sell my wheat to that I can't today. You also wanted short words and small sentences. Well let's see here, see if this works for you.

"I want to be able to sell to all the other buyers of wheat and barley out there and not be penalized for doing so"

Now why am I such a terrible person for wanting to do that for myself?

It was my decision to grow it, it was my work that made it happen, it was my money that was invested into growing it, and after all of that, I just want to be able to decide for myself where, when and to whom I sell it and without penalty.

Someone please, tell me why I am a terrible, greedy, son of a bugger, for wanting to do such a simple thing?

[agstar77]

At least we agree its the principle.

[AdamSmith]

Agstar77, yes, we agree it's principle (for you and I)


Now could you be a dear and answer my question, please.

Why, in you opinion is my belief flawed?

[TOM4CWB]

Agstar;

DO we agree those who need marketing choices... are discriminated against by the CWB?

I brought up a number of problem with the present CWB system... with no response... VALID issues.

Does anyone remember Dec 2004... when the whole CWB Election process was stopped by a Federal Court Injunction?

What was done since then to fix the election to make it democratic?

One small step by Honourable Minister Strahl... and the NFU screamed blue murder.

Perhaps these NFU folks have a conscience after all... and are having to think twice before they automatically vote more than once in the CWB Director Elections?

Or will they swear out FALSE Stat. Declarations... and vote more than once anyway?

Wouldn't a few NFU top brass in prison... for breaking the CWB election laws; be Justice?

[agstar77]

I don't have a dogmatic view of who should market my grain. I prefer the CWB system of orderly marketing. I am more concerned about the survival of Grain farming as rural enterprise. The route you are suggesting will make everyone more dependent on large corporations which don't have any particular interest in the makeup of agriculture, as long as they profit. I am not saying they are wrong, that it is just the way it is. I do think we need some strong voices to balance their power. No offence to T4, but I don't believe individual voices like his will be given much merit in the corporate boardrooms. The changes proposed by the committee,CWBII, would just end up with a large corporation to be swallowed by others. Farmers were screwed by the changes to the Crow Rate. There has been a degradation in service and an increase in cost. This gives me pause to be skeptical of any benefits killing the CWB will give me. You have not presented convincing arguements that most farmers will be better off after the CWB, at least none that I can sleep better at night with.

[AdamSmith]

Thanks Agstar77, but call me selfish, I want to understand why it's wrong headed of me to want to look after myself and why I'm portrayed as evil for wanting to look after my own affairs, without penalty? Even if I'm the only one in western Canada who feels this way? (I know I'm not) If I'm evil or irrational, tell me why please. If I'm not then why can't we develop something that can accomodate all those with differing opinions. Or is it an impossible task? Is this the future of grain farming in Canada, bitter division, from now until eternity? Do you not want something better?

Hey I accept your preference for you but why can't you accept my preference for me? I'll bend over backwards to try to address your concerns, but I will not accept that I have to surrender to you 100% of my ambitions in order to accomodate your fears.

Can you not understand, even a little bit where I'm coming from?

[wilagro]

I think that we should go back to the system that existed in the 1920's when the line elevator companies were king and could rob the stupid farmers on price, weight and grade.

That would make the 'marketing choice' people happy...and there would be no more b****ing heard from them ever again...amen.

[craig]

Wilagro
There are lots of companies that have that opportunity to rob us blind whether it is selling non board grains or buying imputs. I try to deal with people and companies who I believe I can trust. If I feel that trust is lost I simply no longer do business with them. When we get to only one player left(monopoly) then I guess it will be time to look for a new occupation.

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro,

DO you remember the fusaruim damaged wheat in the 1993-95 time?

When the CWB and CGC told everyone to burn it... because it was worthless?

DO you remember at that time grain growers finding the same wheat that was worth $4.00 /bu in Minn/ND on the US side of the line?

Before this the CWB left us alone.

But the Pools and Large grain Co's alike made millions confiscating at $.50/bu and selling it for $4/bu IN THE US... with they did it with CWB's blessing.

This is how this whole thing got started... corruption encouraged by Dr. Doolittle... Goodale... to take from grain growers already smashed by fusarium... and sink them with CWB "single desk" robery to be put in grain co's pockets... for the biggest % of the "profits" extracted!

Wilagro... you really think the CWB system is maximising our returns...?

Think again.

It is to hold in grain supply... provide cheap food/grain for Canada, the US, and Canada's Liberal buddies.