Doesn't any one else get sick of this?

[luvnlife]

E"bloody"nough already! The same crap over and over. Could some CWB hater please explain once and for all, preferably in small words and short sentences, who they want to sell their wheat to that they can't now? Why can't you use the US futures markets to get extra income from your wheat if you want to and are so good at it? Aren't the quiet masses sick to death already of the WCWG getting 573 times more than their share of press? Producer vote, everyone live with the results, and LET IT DIE!

[agstar77]

It's the principle that's important not whether you make more money or you have less stress. How many wars have been fought because of principles?

[TOM4CWB]

Luvnlife;

My Neighbour needs to be able to sell their families grain to the same people a grower in; Creston B.C. PEI, Ontario, Montana, or Australia can sell to...

With OUT the CWB confiscating a chunk of that families income...

with no useful CWB services rendered...

and the further requirement to sell through an "AGENT of the CWB"... unlike organic growers who are exempt from this $10/t minimum extra cost.

My neighbour is supposed to prop up the CWB pool accounts... to make your life simple... for what other reasons?

You know it is to take this hard earned money... and put it in your bank account... by why should you take my neighbour's income?

The sad fact is this:

99% of business isn't done that could be done... markets grown, expanded, consumption increased, because Goodale and the CWB decided to force everything though the "Agents of the CWB" to pad their pockets.

If we were allowed to go to pre-1992 CWB policies on the "single desk" this whole issue would be over. GONE.

But instead the lack of respect by Goodale... his Order in Council that struck down the Court Ruling which respected our property rights...

Could well bring about the end of the CWB.

[GALAXIE500]

Good morning gents! I think that Luvinlife has hit the nail on the head with the cwb topic. I feel the same way as he does that their should be a vote on whether or not the CWB continues to operate or not. I find it quite odd that all these "dual marketers" can't seem to figure out the obvious point that if they want to sell their commodities outside the board, they can. Heres another piece of rocket science for all of you guys to mull over; if you dont like the way the CWB markets wheat and durum, and lets not forget that precious barley that everybody seems so fanatical about, dont grow the stuff! If these "free marketers" think the Americans are going to take our grain with open arms they are gravely mistaken and I feel sorry for how naive their thinking is. Look at what happened to our cattle industry with the BSE scare over the last couple of years. Ol' Uncle Sam will come up with some excuse, with the help of the fanatical farm groups they have in their country, to come up with an excuse that our grain , all of it or a vast majority of it, is not fit to enter their country, creating the snowball effect !!! I give this "Dual Market " idea a couple of months and the USA will have the doors shut to their grain markets tighter than a goddamn drum! That is my dirt farmers arithmatic!

[silverback]

So there is another fundamental issue that we have here.

Americans are evil.

Is that what is at the bottom of your support for the CWB Galaxie?

I don't know where you live, but as I have said before, I can grow some pretty good crops in our area. Unfortunately, our climate is dictating that the best things that grow in our dirt are wheat, canola, flax, and sometimes barley.

So in order to feed my family, and my extended family, the best choice for me is limited to these options.

How can you suggest that only people who want to support the pooling of grain together should be able to grow and sell HRS? That is basically what you are saying right? The world is paying record prices for HRS but only by submitting it to the CWB can we sell it outside of our borders. Just because you are happy to sit back and let someone send you a cheque that they say is the best they could get, does not mean that some of the rest of us should have to accept that.

That's a real logical, rational stand you have there.

Freedom, what a concept.

[jensend]

i wonder if american buyers will bid american price or slightly over cwb price for canadian grain? don't grow grains so i have no axe to grind but i don't think american grain companies operating in the states will feel any more duty bound to enrich canadian farmers delivering south than they do when they relieve you of your grain up here.

[northfarmer]

who do I want to sell to that I am not selling to now?......lets see....how about the multitude of grain brokers and other multionational grain companies not in the CWB fraternity or their special agents in Wpg, how about the millers in the PNW of the the good old US, or the Canadian Millers or Malsters without beuracrats of the cwb and their agent fraternity taking their bite - like the farmers can do in Que and Ont.....

Geez cannot sell without the board....I am this week meeting with Chinese delegation of buyers who have bought and will agian likley buy the peas right off my farm into the car and transloaded into container on the west coast... should i need to get into the way I also market my canola, and oats????

....your sick of the pro choice rant, I am sick of the conspiracy theorists, closet communists/socialists who think there managed market theory is more efficient.....

so if a vote is what it takes, last i checked we elected guys to do that who had a clear platform and then a mandate to give us choice and freedom in how we market grain....Goodale and his lIberal cronies did not have a plebisite when they made radical changes to the CWB aginast the howling protests of many, when they imprisoned farmers for trying to exercise their riteful freedoms.....

but if a vote is what it takes then lets have one....a weighted vote based on acres or tonnes of historic production, weighted to the most recent years so it is actual producers voting in the designated areas of the CWB and with a clear and concise question, our freedom to chose how we market the production from our own operations.....

[craig]

Luvnlife
I want access to similar risk management tools I use in the open market. In other words the ability to lock in prices I feel are profitable to my operation just as I do the other crops I grow. I want to be able to profit from futures rallies and receive a similar price to what my competitors receive for basically the same grain. Please don't tell me that the producer payment options in their current form are the solution to what I want. That is not to say they that couldn't be. I think the question that needs to be asked is why the CWB doesn't provide producers who are comfortable in the open market, the tools he is looking for. There is a need for someone to oversee operations at the CWB whose role is to protect the interests of those who choose other options than the pool accounts. There is a need to totally seperate the FPC,s and BPC,s programs and revenues generated, from the pool accounts and the PRO's. There is a need to modify BPC,s and address the issue of distance to port. There is a need to revamp the Producer Direct Sale to reward the producer who is willing to spend his time and money to develop a market for his grain. The reality is that there is this ingrained fear by the CWB that if they give up even a small amount of control the who system will unravel around them. I seems that might be happening anyway.

[Lifer]

I am sick of it as well. That because of people's distrust of the U.S and big companies they lash out at their canadian neighbors. Why don't we expand our freedoms.

My neighbor develops a new product or more innovative idea hold them up, celebrate them. Use it as encouragement for yourself to change if you don't like what your doing.

I am sick of the lack of respect shown to a Canadian Farmer(mostly from other farmers).

What makes a farmer different than another small business owner?

[wedino]

Well said Northfarmer.

<<but if a vote is what it takes then lets have one....a weighted vote based on acres or tonnes of historic production, weighted to the most recent years so it is actual producers voting in the designated areas of the CWB and with a clear and concise question, our freedom to chose how we market the production from our own operations.....>>

[wedino]

Well Said northfarmer,

""but if a vote is what it takes then lets have one....a weighted vote based on acres or tonnes of historic production, weighted to the most recent years so it is actual producers voting in the designated areas of the CWB and with a clear and concise question, our freedom to chose how we market the production from our own operations.....""

[AdamSmith]

I don't know anyone who enjoys conflict, luvnlife. I don't like being in conflict with Agstar77 and I'm sure he would prefer not to be in conflict with me. But if you are passionate about something and you believe in it deeply you accept the fact that in order to achieve your goals you must endure the conflict that will arise when you stand your ground.

Luvnlife you asked who can't I sell my wheat to that I can't today. You also wanted short words and small sentences. Well let's see here, see if this works for you.

"I want to be able to sell to all the other buyers of wheat and barley out there and not be penalized for doing so"

Now why am I such a terrible person for wanting to do that for myself?

It was my decision to grow it, it was my work that made it happen, it was my money that was invested into growing it, and after all of that, I just want to be able to decide for myself where, when and to whom I sell it and without penalty.

Someone please, tell me why I am a terrible, greedy, son of a bugger, for wanting to do such a simple thing?

[agstar77]

At least we agree its the principle.

[AdamSmith]

Agstar77, yes, we agree it's principle (for you and I)


Now could you be a dear and answer my question, please.

Why, in you opinion is my belief flawed?

[TOM4CWB]

Agstar;

DO we agree those who need marketing choices... are discriminated against by the CWB?

I brought up a number of problem with the present CWB system... with no response... VALID issues.

Does anyone remember Dec 2004... when the whole CWB Election process was stopped by a Federal Court Injunction?

What was done since then to fix the election to make it democratic?

One small step by Honourable Minister Strahl... and the NFU screamed blue murder.

Perhaps these NFU folks have a conscience after all... and are having to think twice before they automatically vote more than once in the CWB Director Elections?

Or will they swear out FALSE Stat. Declarations... and vote more than once anyway?

Wouldn't a few NFU top brass in prison... for breaking the CWB election laws; be Justice?