makin' it work

[chaffmeister]

Inefficient? Yes.

Costly? Absolutely.

Fair? Hardly. How can adding costs and inefficiency all in the name of fairness be fair?

[highwayman]

Socialist....to the core. Dont let one man profit from his good production skills or management if it means that the miner gets left behind. Revolutionary thinking. The freedom to be irresponssible. CWB and the NDP

[parsley]

Did your parents immigrate from a farm near Peking, wilagrow?

[tower]

Hey wilagro, I appreciate hearing that there are still some who realize what we lost when the quotas went.

Chyaffmeister, how were they inefficient, and costly? The idea of them was not to give benefit to traders, it's my experience that when you are the type to make pronouncements you are less likely to be the type that is willing to learn.

highwayman, please let me know what is the tie in between quotas and mining the farm. I don't follow your argument. Perhaps it is more appropriate to another thread.

I think the quota system does have a socialist basis. There are several aspects of life in Canada that have similar philosophical backgrounds. In large part they have made Canada a better place to live. Quotas recognized that the country and the land needs farmers who are there, taking care of it.

[parsley]

"Quotas recognized that the country and the land needs farmers who are there, taking care of it."


If you want to tell jokes, start another thread.

Parsley

[tower]

Tom4cwb, I've had the odd fight with bureaucratic arms of governmental policy direction. I have to say that the frustration and anger over MIS-direction and mistakes made by such organizations can get to be overwhelming. unto death in some circumstances. A useful point to remember is that we all die sooner than later anyway.

It should be better to bear in mind that there are benefits as well from even such as these. With a good group of farmer directors and independance from governmental ... good intentions... this is a board that could do us good as grain producers. Much more so than your average multinational.

[freewheat]

What I would do to fix the board? Get rid of it. Completely. Along with the CBC. State run garbage should be banned in this country. I used to be a dual proponent, and was willing to allow the board a chance, but now I simply want them gone. That would fix the CWB question.

[tower]

state run road construction, and maintenance, state run health care, state run military, state run police, state run schools, state run courts, state run pet control, state run meteorological service, state run welfare and unemployment services, state run seniors care, yah, a little foresight would get rid of all this.

[AdamSmith]

Tower, the quota system was a hold over from world war II rationing mentality.

The quota system for grain delivery was one of the most offensive parts of the system. The contract call system while still offensive is "less" offensive.

There was no difference in principle with an elevator agent saying to a farmer

"You can only haul another 200 bushels and then you must wait until a new quota is put on"

Than a shop owner in the old Soviet Union saying to someone...

"You are not allowed anymore meat this month as you have already filled your ration alotment for the month, and I see no more toilet paper either, tsk tsk."

[silverback]

Sure is too bad that all farms are not still 160 acres each and we use w6 tractors and cabless combines, everyone raised some chickens, pigs, dairy cows, geese and everyone was equal. Is this your utopia Tower?

How can you decide for me when I get to, no, want to sell my grain?

[highwayman]

tower
To clarify for you, the acreage based quota system never worked for those producer who strived to maximize production with proper inputs and management. There was very seldom an opportunity to sell all of ones production on most years in our area. The cost of carryover came directly out of the producers pocket. Those producers who choose not to be good stewards of the land and rather mine the soil were happy with the quota system because they very rarely grew any more then the alloted delivery opportunites anyway. The end result was to discourage growers of growing board grains that they cant market and move to other grains that provided them with the cash flow and timely market opportunities that they needed to sustain their business. The shift to pulses and oilseeds has shown that producers want a system that allows them to deliver their production as they see fit without limitations based on acerage. I fail to see how a quota system recognizes farmers taking care of the land when it styfles their productivity.

[AdamSmith]

I don't believe the cwb can be repaired, nor do I believe any right thinking business oriented farmer wouold wish it to survive, sorry tom.

The reason I say this and believe this is because of politics. The CWB has evolved from a political animal in the vein of a crown corporation, to a overtly partisan political animal to the point of being an unofficial arm of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Decision are made for political reasons and political reasons alone. The people who have worked for the cwb in the past do not move on to other careers in the grain business, they move on to political careers in the Liberal Party of Canada, (Measner, Rohle).

Ralph Goodale's 1998 ammendments created a political frankenstein with political campaign type director elections, and patronage appointments, and the like, and all of it have nothing to do with selling grain in the most efficent manner and with the growers best interests at heart.

This incarnation of the cwb is nothing more than a nightmare, and deserves nothing more than to be closed down permanantly.

For cwb supporters and maybe some other dual market enthusiests, you guys need to start from scatch if you/they think there is a need or a demand for such a marketing organization.

But this one is not the foundation in which to build.

The ash heap of failed experiments is where Ralph Goodales CWB belongs.