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    #25
    Tower,

    Your point; "a board [the CWB] could do us good as grain producers. Much more so than your average multinational."

    The Sales Dept at the CWB must use these "Average Multinational" organisations in almost every transaction somewhere. The reason they don't mind the CWB [and put up with all the stupid insults from the CWB] is because they can often make much greater profits with the CWB in place.

    On many of the "State Run" services we have, an option and choice is clearly avaliable.

    Mail almost qualifies, Purolator is owned by Canada Post while a dozen other private/multi co's are providing good value for money to deliver my overnight documents. That regular mail can't have competition is something we should think about resolving.

    Health Care has private doctors providing the services, large chunks of services have NO government involvement for many Canadians; ie eye care, dental, the list is huge.

    On Weather the private providers often are much better at forecasting than Environment Canada.

    Alberta has private delivery of Road Maintance services, it has reduced costs by huge amounts. Roads ARE built by Private providers provincially.

    We have Law Enforcement with choice in Alberta; EDM. Calg. and many other communites like their own forces better than the RCMP.

    Canada even contracts out a good chunk of Military Services needed to other nations when we can do this for less like Air Transport of Equipment ETC.

    I personally agree with the Conservatives that the CWB should remain as an option, yet my better half insists her life would be much simpler and better if the CWB were gone.

    Co-operative marketers in the US do a large part of buying the produce grown.

    Canada history has proven that the entities with the leadership you request have been a complete failure. What makes you think you can select people better than those who have gone before us?

    The Ausies and the AWB are not much better, although they have some well managed co-operatives that have provided great return on investment... because they were run in a competitive market place by folks who were good managers.

    If Ward becomes Pres./CEO, it would be the biggest mistake since picking Adrian. Inbred "Single Minded" people will/are single handedly destroy/ing the CWB.

    The CEO of a tall building was alerted that there was a crack that had appeared on the 43rd floor of an office building.

    The CEO called the building designer to come and see the crack and tell him what was wrong.

    He was told the engineer was comming to inspect the building at 10:00am

    The CEO as on the 43rd floor beside the crack at 10:00am that day, but the engineer did not show up!

    The Engineering company was phoned, and asked why no one had shown up!

    The Building CEO was told the engineer was there and was on the 6th floor basement inspecting the building and figuring out how to repair the building!

    The Building CEO went to the 6th floor basement and found the engineer calculating and examining damage he had found.

    Someone had been stealing bricks from the foundation of the building for a building project he had at home, the result was the crack on the 43rd Floor.

    The CWB clearly has some foundation problems that are very serious. Ward and Adrian are obvious detrators/underminers; that to a large extent responsible for the cracks and leaning leadership in the CWB operations today.

    As well there are at least 6 "intellegent and popular" directors that are as responsible as Ward and Adrian, even though the leaders are responsible and will be blamed.

    All will be blamed for the collapse of the CWB.

    And I, Tom4CWB... because I bring to the attention of those responsible..., the real and ever increasing dangers of the crumbling foundation of the CWB...

    I
    Am
    Being
    Blamed
    for
    Destroying
    The
    C
    W
    B
    !

    Because these folks won't even talk to me... let alone do anything the impending collapse at the 6th floor in the basement.

    I have provided the opportunity, the logical reasoning of why I hold valid and constructive solutions, And I care enough to offer my leadership at the expense of my farm and family.

    I cannot be held responsible for the CWB's destruction.


    I know, I am just a stupid farmer that has never marketed any wheat or barley in my life. Only the CWB can "Market" grain!

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      #26
      Unfortunately, Tower, you don’t know what you gained when you lost quotas.

      You asked about efficiency and cost – all I have ever do here on Agriville is talk about CWB costs and inefficiency. (Oh yeah, poor marketing performance too).

      It seems you haven’t been paying attention.


      Tower, you said (aimed at me) “it's my experience that when you are the type to make pronouncements you are less likely to be the type that is willing to learn.”

      Tower, it’s my experience that those that do their defending through offending (aimed at you), don’t know how to defend what it is they are defending. In fact, many don’t even know what it is that they’re defending. I wonder – do you know what you’re defending?

      At least I support everything I say with facts or through personal experience.

      <b>What is so bloody sacred about the CWB that you can’t even see its shortcomings?</b>

      I mean its REAL shortcomings – not the governance structure, not the fact that there could be livestock people on the board, or that the board members might not be up to the task, or that some board members may not be farmers. Who cares who’s on the board? The CWB costs you money – REAL money. Through higher total costs (not just CWB admin costs), poorer performance, and system inefficiencies (remember shipping wheat from Montreal and Churchill to Vancouver? what a joke). It doesn’t matter who is on the board of Canadian Whip and Buggy – it still sells whips and buggies (or grain marketing services) that benefits no farmer.

      I want to note that in previous postings we’ve talked about these issues and you've avoided any reasonable discussion about them. If you are personally ill-equipped to tackle these issues, there’s no shame in admitting it. What is shameful is when people take a strong position to keep the CWB and have no depth to support their argument or counter the real arguments about CWB-value and instead rely on their gut-feeling - and in doing so, injure other farmers along the way. (Aimed at wilagro, BennyHin, Burbert, Evader, Agstar77, and Tower.) If any of you have the depth to reasonably and rationally argue in favour of the CWB on the issues of performance and cost/efficiencies, let’s hear it. As I said before, convince me and I will argue in favour of the CWB as loudly as y’all do.

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        #27
        I noticed making the whole deal <b>"voluntary"</b> never made your list tower.

        How do you propose to deal with all of the farmers such as myself that are not interested in participating in your grand vision?

        Can we agree to disagree and go our separate ways or is it leg irons and a 4x8 concrete cell with a frisky 300 lb tattooed roommate named bubba for us?

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          #28
          Amazing how the thread always dries up when you ask questions about CWB performance and throwing farmers in jail for wanting to sell their own crop.

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            #29
            I found the same thing.

            Vader used to skidaddle like a rabbit with a coyote after it.

            Parsley

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              #30
              I have an idea. Give farmers the power of negotiation. Allow farmers to offer to the CWB their grain for a certain price. If the CWB cannot buy it and the the farmer can find another buyer of his preference then that farmer should be able to sell to whom ever he chooses. Of course if a farmer wants to put his grain into a pool or sell in a fixed price that should also be OK, forward pricing should still work. In this scenario the CWB will find their true place and all the farmers will be happy. End users should also be satisfied. One of the CWBs biggest arguments is that many sellers will undercut one another but that should not happen on the producer level we will sell to the highest bidder. Many sellers should seek out more buyers with different and various values of needs. More disappearance will amount to better prices for all producers.

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                #31
                OF course this comes down to the 3 question ballot that us farmers supposedly cannot comprehend. You know when I look around at my neighbors I see a lot of very intelligent people.

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                  #32
                  That is a keen observation.

                  The farm community is composed of folks who are extremely hard working, extremely skilled, plus have an unbelievably wide array of skills, co-operate in their communities, just look at the rinks, volunteer both time and money, raise good kids, (how maany farm kids do you find in jail), are good neighbors, and contribute billions to the Canadian economy.


                  Celebrate who/what you are.


                  Parsley

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                    #33
                    parsley: As opposed to the slothful CWB supporter no doubt...as he/she sits in front of the TV all day and eats TV dinners.

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                      #34
                      silverback, utopia? no I don't think that's it,,, is your utopia one farmer by the name of cargterra admausea tyson?

                      I do think we would be better off with more farmers on the land than we have now, from a sustainability perspective each farm has it's own optimums and limiting factors. Overall criteria will include availability of fuel and water in the context of climate changes.

                      The closer a farm manager is to the peculiarities of the land he or she is responsible for, the better chance we have of being self sufficient.

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                        #35
                        highwayman, The quota was a percentage of deliverables, whether high producer or low producer. I don't see an advantage to the low producer in that. That may have been the excuse used to give preference however.

                        It probably wasn't the cwb doing it but perhaps there was a message in it for those of us who were trying to out produce ourselves and our neighbours in that overproduction wasn't helping us.

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                          #36
                          Tower. You're up. Great. I've been answering your questions but you seem to have missed mine. So I'll ask it again.

                          What is so bloody sacred about the CWB that you can't even see its shortcomings?

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