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    Let's play "Can you spot the Hypocrisy"

    A million points for the winner!
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    Liberal MPs join McGuinty in seat debate

    Julie Smyth, National Post
    Published: Thursday, November 22, 2007

    OTTAWA - A feud between the federal Conservatives and Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty widened yesterday as Liberal MPs joined the attack in a battle over Ontario's share of seats in the House of Commons.

    The Conservatives reintroduced a bill last week that would add 22 new MPs to the House, to address the growing population in British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario. Mr. McGuinty says the added seats still leave Ontario shortchanged and he has been lobbying Ottawa for more.

    Yesterday, Stephane Dion, the federal Liberal leader, opened Question Period with claims the government "continues insulting the partners of this federation," and called on Peter Van Loan, the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, to apologize after he referred to Mr. McGuinty as the "small man of Confederation."

    Mr. Van Loan, an Ontario MP who has been trading comments with Mr. McGuinty since last week, said on Tuesday: "Dalton McGuinty seems to be abandoning the traditional role of an Ontario Premier, which would balance seeing Ontario's interests protected while at the same time advancing the strength of Confederation ... He seems to prefer to become the small man of Confederation."

    Mr. Van Loan defended his remarks in the House yesterday: "It is a provision that was going to give them more new seats than any other province and what did he do? He complained about it. That is what I mean when I talk about the small man of Confederation. He gets more seats, more for his province and he complains."

    The bill gives Ontario an extra 10 MPs, B.C. an extra seven and Alberta an extra five by 2011. Under the existing formula, Ontario would get just four extra MPs. However, Mr. McGuinty says the formula provides Ontario with an MP for every 115,000 people while Quebec currently sets the standard for large provinces with one MP for every 105,000 people. B.C. and Alberta would have one MP for every 105,000 residents under the proposed changes. "There's no way to justify that," Mr. McGuinty said. "I'm not looking for any special treatment, I'm just looking for the same treatment." He says Ontario should get 21 new MPs, almost double the number allotted by the Conservatives.

    Mr. McGuinty has written to all Ontario MPs for support and recruited Mr. Dion to help fight the Conservatives -- the two had a private telephone conversation on Tuesday night. One Liberal said: "Suffice to say Mr. Dion and Mr. McGuinty are on the same page when it comes to Harper screwing over Ontario and pretty much the entire country."

    Critics suggest the government is unwilling to give Ontario more seats as the Conservatives do not want to upset Quebec voters and because the Tory party is not strong in Ontario. The Conservative plan would also increase relative voting power in the West, where the Tories are strong.

    Mr. Van Loan told the National Post giving Ontario more seats would result in the smaller provinces losing out: "There is a balance that has to be struck between ensuring that smaller provinces have fair levels of representation and the principle of representation by population."

    He said if the formula was a pure representation by population, "you would end up with Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick, Saskatchewan and Manitoba losing seats and having their absolute number of seats drop."

    He added: "We have proposed a formula that improves Ontario's representation in the House of Commons. For some reason the Premier of Ontario has decided to make his great crusade a fight against a bill that treats Ontario better than the existing law." Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe said yesterday he does not support Mr. McGuinty's bid for more seats but does not support the government bill either. The NDP wants more committee discussion on the issue but did not say how it will vote.


    Nov. 14

    Van Loan "Canadians across the country deserve to have fairness in representation ... Our legislation will go a long way toward ensuring that each province is represented fairly in the House of Commons."

    McGuinty "As time goes by, Ontarians would become increasingly under-represented with each new readjustment following a census."

    Nov. 15

    Van Loan "It is clear that Dalton McGuinty doesn't even understand either the problem or the solution ... Dalton McGuinty's comments must be seen as a purely partisan effort where, once again, he says one thing and does another.''

    Nov. 20

    McGuinty "So [Harper is] fixing the problem for Alberta, he's fixing it for B.C., but he's only taking half-measures with respect to fixing it for Ontario." Van Loan "[McGuinty] seems to prefer to become the small man of Confederation, focusing only on taking partisan shots while not concerned about the strength of Canada as a whole."

    Nov. 21

    McGuinty "Why is it whenever we Ontarians stand up for ourselves we're accused of being un-Canadian ... That dog won't hunt.We won't be bullied or cowed into submission.We're talking here about an issue of fundamental fairness." Dion "Premier McGuinty is taking his job seriously, and representing the people of Ontario ... The ridiculous comments made by Minister Van Loan are contemptible at best, and disrespectful of the office that Mr. McGuinty was recently reelected to hold."

    #2
    And how does this relate to "commodity marketing"??? Perhaps we need a "Politics" forum.

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      #3
      Wilagro, I think a politics forum would be a good idea. Trouble is, 80% of the posts - well maybe a slight exageration - on this forum would disappear.

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        #4
        How about if we just leave the number of MPs alone for a couple of elections so voters don't have to get used to their ridings being adjusted all the time? The riding I'm in just got adjusted so it makes some sense for the first time in at least 20 years, first federally, then provincially. How many MPs do we need at the trough?

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          #5
          dalek,

          I like the way you think...there is enough high paid, do nothing, politicians out there now.

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            #6
            Wilagro, if you and your CWB buddies would agree to take politics (CWB legislation) out of the wheat and barley business, I guarantee you there'd be no politics in a "marketing forum" such as this. We could then all participate in good discussions about information and strategies to maximize wheat and barley returns on our farms.

            But as long as politically driven organizations like the CWB force themselves into my business plans, I'm forced to talk about politics. And believe me, it's not because I enjoy it. It's because of their dismal performance in the marketplace, their excessive operating costs, their arbitrary pricing practices and their lack of accountability. It’s also because some of us recognize the stifling effect of hyper-regulation in wheat and barley, and what that does when it comes to attracting new investment or new technology to that sector of the industry.

            Look forward to continued argument, political conflict, and discord as long as the CWB monopoly is around.

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              #7
              Good call Kodiak, nuf said!

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                #8
                Kodiak should get at least 800,000 points for that one.

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                  #9
                  As long as YOUR wheat is OUR wheat;as long as Toronto Liberal mp's decide how "WE"market;as long as all the left wing uses the plural possesive,ie farmers'/ grain farmers'rights-instead of the individual farmer's rights being recognized-----marketing in the west will be politicized.

                  In other words,as long as there is forced collectivisation of our grain,marketing will be apolitical affair.
                  We sure as heck don't have to worry about seat redistribution etc when we sell our buckwheat or spits.

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                    #10
                    Ok guys here it is.

                    Yesterday, Stephane Dion, the federal Liberal leader, opened Question Period with claims the government "continues insulting the partners of this federation,"

                    "There's no way to justify that," Mr. McGuinty said. "I'm not looking for any special treatment, I'm just looking for the same treatment."

                    Mr Dion is siding with Mr. McGuinty on an issue which they "consider" to be an issue of "EQUAL TREATMENT" for all Canadians.

                    But the hypocrisy is Dion taking the position of "equal treatment" on seat redistribution, but on the Canadian Wheat Board issue, he is firm in his opposition towards a policy of "Equal Treatment" for wheat growers. Ontario farmers get one set of rules, while Western farmers get a different set of rules.

                    That is clearly Hypocritical.

                    But why after 666 days of Conservative government is the CWB monopoly still the issue. The Canadian and American Army took half that time to build the Alaska Highway in 1942 and that was over 1500 miles of mountains and bush.

                    All the cons have to do is write the words "An ACT to Repeal the Canadian Wheat Board Act" add a some blah blah blah, spice it up with alot of legaleze and some whereases and few shalls then present it to parliament, and watch Dion fold like a Soft Shell Taco. It's that easy.

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